Ubuntu 11.10 GNOME Shell Guide

No sorry, I don’t know of any :(

I did’t say “he said” that. Please read a little bit more before posting :)..

Wonderful comment. I hope everyone reads this… Seems the unfounded hate for Gnome Shell is slowly settling down… still very irritating.

You can move through the Activities field, with the up 
& down arrow keys.. Though I find that a bit uncomfortable..

If you had been watching, you would have seen that computers and mice have been inseparable for nearly 30 years.  Keyboard freaks are like the guys who claim superiority because they write HTML in a text editor–curiously stupid.

he NEVER said that, your putting word’s into his mouth. he meant HE likes gnome-shell better

As a wise man once said, “never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

This is crap and you know it, Gnome-Shell and Unity are totally different. I understand what Ubuntu is doing for their idea about what they consider is a nice desktop. But they should have done the same for Gnome as they did for all the other DE’s. They could have called it Gubuntu or something and left ubuntu main with Unity. I don’t like having to install 3 separate desktop environments just to get the one I want. My wife likes unity I don’t people have the freedom of choice. Ubuntu should have considered it

Sorry to say, but if you want an OS with Gnome-Shell and other with other DE (say Unity or KDE), just install Ubuntu on two different partitions… there’s no need to do ONE whole distribution for the sake of a DE

Dear friend, if your wife likes something then you don’t really have a choice to not like it.

How is faster? I’m just curious if you can name a single use-case that is faster in unity than in any other desktop environment?

But since he also purges Unity in those instructions, I fear that there is little more that the PPA could do to break it.

Skype website shows a 64 bit download. I read somewhere in the comments on a different post that ‘skype should make real 64 bit binaries ‘ . So the ones they are distributing on the website are some kind of hack ? 

In this case, Canonical because they don’t enable the partner repo by default, where it’s found. 

It has to do with the multi-arch support landed in Ubuntu. Not with Adobe. Because of the multi-arch, it will install the 32 bits version, and although that would work now, if it were an application, it doesn’t work as a browser plugin.

It’s a packaging error in this case.

But their idea of fixing it, is to keep a broken package in universe and a working package in the partner repo that isn’t enabled by default.

Unity shouldn’t slow GS down, I guess its Zeitgeist or something. You might try disabling Zeitgeist (google it), but don’t remove Unity. 

I just did a test, logged into GS and checked the running processes. Neither Unity, nor unity-panel-service, nor compiz were in the list.

I’m a developer, and I know the consequences better than you. I’d say if you can live with Unity and Shotwell, why remove it? I have KDE installed on my system though I rarely use it. Why? Because it doesn’t come in my way.

Second thing, I know you might be able to remove ubuntu-desktop and move along. But what about end-users? They’ll just blatantly copy your command and run it. Now, when ubuntu-desktop is gone, and we move to wayland, for example, their systems will still be stuck on old and unstable X. Because ubuntu-desktop didn’t take care of the proper dependencies and conflicts.

Most of the system breakages we developers read about on the forums are a result of novice users running commands foolishly. And, prevention is better than cure.

@twitter-20024405:disqus  – ITS NOT A BAD EXAMPLE, FOR HEAVEN SAKE READ MY COMMENT PROPERLY.

Ubuntu is not going to move to Wayland as a post-release upgrade, of course. But I mean that it could cause issues WHILE YOU UPGRADE. I said UPGRADE not UPDATE. Like when you upgrade from Oneiric to Precise (precise won’t move to wayland, but the next one could), then you might have a broken system since the old libraries remain and the new ones don’t come in place and replace them.

This could happen with any change, such as the RB to Banshee change, etc. If in the future, we decide to remove Totem and put VLC, for example, then on systems without ubuntu-desktop, Totem will stick around without VLC, hence creating a sub-par user experience.

What we developers want out of Ubuntu is a complete and polished experience. Mark has said that the experience should be consistent, and that users should have the same set of software. If they don’t, they should at least be knowledgeable enough to know 1) why they don’t and 2) how to fix it.

If you go ahead and ask people to remove that package, then our philosophy will be deeply hurt.

@twitter-20024405:disqus 
So if you are pissed off at those packages re-appearing, then your best bet is not to update or do whatever you want, but just not give advises which might have adverse effects in the long run.
If you are giving such advises, you need to take responsibility and be there to fix the broken system of those people whom you have given your advise. 

I just hope later it those people won’t have to listen – “Removing these packages worked for me, so you should also do it. Oh it broke your system, it didn’t for mine, you I can’t help. Sorry”.

Do anybody have problems when trying to install the “post-release” drivers from the “additional drivers” menu..?
PS 11.9 didn’t work for me.

Yeah, it makes Gnome-shell laggy and slow. I think it’s a bug with several programs, such as calibre, skype, transmission-gtk, vuze, virtualbox-qt, remmina…

And that argument has merit, but it does not mean that Unity is any worse than Gnome Shell or vice versa at this moment. And sometimes it is better to have two pistols than to have a single bazooka. The combined efforts of the teams could make a product that would annihilate the competition, but it would be slow to reload due to the depth of the bureaucracy and the heated debates between developers about which design decisions are correct and eventually you’d end up with a fork anyways most likely. Canonical did not like the direction the Gnome project was going with Shell and so produced an equivalent product with entirely different design patterns in a third of the time or less. But like I said, this argument has no relation to the usability of Unity and Gnome Shell. Perhaps they could have been merged, perhaps Canonical should contribute more, perhaps they are slowing down each other’s development by merely existing, but right now neither Gnome Shell nor Unity are completely terrible or completely awesome compared to each other, they are both good, but they have completely different designs in so many aspects that it really comes down to preference — something that the trolls don’t understand.

Sorry, didn’t mean to troll.
But, having tried to use libappindicator myself, I’d have rejected it, too. People expect to be able to place arbitrary GTK+ widgets in the menu like the old style allowed, this seemed like a step backwards (even more so through the treacherous GTK+-like interface that just silently drops all widgets it doesn’t like).

But I understand the reasoning behind it, and Gnome Shell’s way of two indicator bars, one completely rigid and the other invisible is even worse.

Then stop producing desktops that require significant re-training, hiding stuff,  and increased RSI risks. It’s like all the good, hard won knowledge over the years has been lost. It’s what happens when technicians become managers and then get the kids to produce the goods!

That’s exactly why I’m so pissed at Canonical with Unity. Why can’t we have the best people working on Ubuntu/Gnome instead of wasting effort on Unity. It was originally designed for Netbooks and as far as I’m concerned that’s where it should stay! I doubt professionals and corporates are going to use Unity.