Elementary OS ‘Jupiter’ now available to pre-order

Everything is completely open source including the build scripts that we use to put the ISO together.

The purpose of the pre-order is to collect enough funds to manufacture and ship the discs. Unfortunately none of us have a vast personal fortune to tap into for sending out free CD’s.

The question isn’t whether or not the distro is FLOSS or not–it’s what the marketing being used is signaling.

And my impression is that what’s being signaled is “This is a commercial distro separate from Ubuntu proper. This isn’t a ‘project’; it’s a ‘product’.”

There’s certainly no reason you can’t create a commerical-style desktop-oriented distro from any sort of Linux. It’s been done multiple times (see Xandros, Mandriva, and a myriad of others).

But I think it’s worthwhile asking why those projects were, by and large, failures, whereas projects that marketing themselves using the language and culture of the FLOSS community were substantially more successful.

Sorry, didn’t mean to imply that. My comment was meant to be taken in the context of the previous two, which had more to do with people’s perceptions than the actual state of affairs.

Also the fundamental difference between Humble Bundle and any Linux distro (commercial or otherwise) remains, so I don’t think it’s correct to compare them.

I believe that’s the plan; they already offer torrents of the old pre-alpha developer preview, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t for the final release.

ok. I can wait :)

But Chromium IS GTK!
Well, it was last time I checked.

Perhaps Google Checkout? It’s pretty easy to set up.

Thanks for your response. Direct would be glorious, but I understand you have many other things to work on, and I’m sure that setting that up takes time. Hopefully that ends up working out, or I get my Paypal working again. Either way, I can’t wait to boot it up in March!

It’s useful for some people, like you, but many others do not use only XMPP. And since there is more that use other protocols too it makes more sense to include an IM client that supports more protocols. I, for example, wouldn’t mind to use only that protocol, but I have many friends who refuse to use anything other than msn, so to talk to them, even if I otherwise wouldn’t, I need a client that supports that.

Oh, don’t need to take it personally. Yes, it’s our choice how to communicate, that’s true. But if you want to communicate with someone (especially if he/she is not a technical expert) I am the one who have to use ICQ/MSN/whatever to be able to reach him/her. For sure, I can choose not to communicate with people like those, but it would be “a bit” too hard to judge my friends because of their IM usage … So for sure, it’s useless to have XMPP if I want to communicate someone does not have it. Otherwise it’s not useless in general, of course :)

Yes. But Empathy supports XMPP, some MSN and plain text chat for other protocols, which equals to no support nowadays, and it’s still the default client in Ubuntu…

No, RMS is fighting against developers freedom.

Perhaps then you should stop using GNU/linux and develop for windows, or apple.

no he isn’t .
since he is a developer himself i fail to see how he is fighting against his own freedom.
also you idiots will never be thankful to rms because you are too stupid to realise his contributions.

Your claim is a non sequitur, since the conclusion (that RMS isn’t a man fighting for people’s freedom) doesn’t follow with necessity from the stated premise (That you cannot have freedom where you do not have truth).

I’m as big a fan of Wikileaks as the next guy, but I still understand that freedom is a highly complex phenomenon with a lot of prerequisite conditions. Therefore, you could make any number of sweeping statements of the same type:

“You cannot have freedom without X, person Y has done nothing to promote X, ergo person Y is not a freedom fighter”.

Using this formula and substituting X for different randomly selected concepts important to freedom (gender equality, health, financial stability etc.), you can probably put any person you want either inside or outside the “freedom fighter” category. That is, if you ignore the inherently flawed logic this method is based on.

You don’t have to be pro Assange to have serious objections with the way several companies have handled the Wikileaks controversy. Paypal, Visa, Mastercard and Bank of America are among the companies who have taken it upon themselves to boycott Wikileaks, an organization which remains convicted of no crime or wrongdoing. Amazon joined in this boycott by denying Wikileaks the use of their servers. Even Apple chose, for obviously political reasons, to remove the Wikileaks application from their application store.

Now, whether you support Wikileaks or not you ought to take offense at the way these companies so cowardly chose to make themselves agents of the blatantly anti-democratic political forces who seek to undermine the free press. And don’t play into the hands of those people who seek to derail the whole debate by making it an issue of whether Assange is a virtuous hero and freedom fighter or a villain with delusions of grandeur; ad hominem arguments remain irrelevant.

Of course, if you insist on making it personal, note that in a logical sense it is perfectly possible for both Julian Assange and Righard Stallman to be “fighting for your freedom” at the same time. The two claims are not mutually exclusive.

Hey Pinguy thanks for the feedback.

Out of that list, the only one that actually came from elementary is our mod of Nautilus. I’d hate to take credit from the developers of those projects :)

I too feel like at the moment we’re kind of building a DE, replacing apps one at a time, working on new shell components, etc. But I don’t feel like this direction is mutually exclusive with the OS direction.

At the moment elementary is on CD. But that’s because we’ve saved soo much space by removing space hogs like command line tools, non-gtk apps, etc. We fully plan on shipping as many codecs, drivers, etc as we can shove in there. And if at some point it gets too big to fit on a CD then I don’t see why we can’t start shipping DVD’s :)

We have a slightly different plan for social integration ;)

Like I said before, we’ve stripped out all non-GTK apps. In this way we save tons of disk space and we provide faster, more native applications. Especially in the case of Midori, we have a great relationship with it’s lead developer. This alone offers a great advantage over using an app like Firefox. Not to mention that Firefox is cumbersome and slow.

As far as Postler not having a calendar built-in. This is part of a philosophy of keeping things simple. A Calendar isn’t a function of a mail client, it needs to be it’s own application. There are more applications on the desktop than just Postler that could benefit from a calendar. This is what we’ve done with Dexter. Instead of trying to cram a contacts app into Postler, we’ve created a nice stand-alone app that integrates with the entire desktop.

The decision to base on 10.10 was made because we weren’t confident that 11.04 would be stable enough, and we wanted to give users a choice (other than Unity) before they were forced to make one.

No problem ;) We definitely recognize the fact that it’s not possible to build something in a way that works for everyone. People are all different. But we do want to make sure that everyone knows the door is open for collaboration :)

cassidyjames: most of the real apps like marlin, and postler use either python or Vala/Genie, so no mono in those, i dont know about docky though

oh lol. random website FTL.