Ubuntu 11.10 will not ship with ‘classic’ GNOME desktop

By , Published April 3, 2011

Mark Shuttleworth has revealed that the ‘classic’ Ubuntu desktop will be a thing of the past come the release of Oneiric Ocelot.

Responding to a bug report on an accessibility issue in Ubuntu 11.04 Unity Shuttleworth says: -

“We made very good progress on [accessibility] in Natty, but will miss the goal of perfect [accessibility]. We’ll nail it in Oneiric. That’s OK, because we have the Classic desktop fallback in Natty, but will not in Oneiric.”

This won’t come as a great shock to many; it was previously announced that Ubuntu-2D would be shipping on the 11.10 disc for users unable to run the Compiz-based version.

Related posts:

  1. Ubuntu 11.10 named ‘Oneiric Ocelot’
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  3. Ubuntu 11.04 to ship Unity as default desktop?
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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

    That’s it for me. I’m switching to Arch when 11.10 comes out.
    Not everybody loves Unity, remember that.

    • http://twitter.com/alexsleat Alex Sleat

      I’m switching to Arch now because there is nothing keeping me to Ubuntu anymore.

      • Anonymous

        you are free to choose, and no one will try to convince you to stay with ubuntu.
        but in 1 year time, gnome-panel will disappear anyway… and unity will get better and better.

      • http://twitter.com/eylemkoca eylemkoca

        So it was the good-old Gnome panel that kept you at Ubuntu?
        Why did you switch to Ubuntu in the first place, again?

        • Anonymous

          For me, the default user experience really was the reason for using Ubuntu. When first curious about Linux, I had no idea what distro to choose (there were so many), so I went with Ubuntu because a) it was the most popular and most widely recommended, b) it seemed to offer the best experience out of the box.

          Now, a few years later, I know a lot more about different distros and DEs, and it seems that Fedora will offer the best out of the box experience for me (Gnome Shell, vanilla Gnome, fresh software, …). If I find that it doesn’t, I’ll switch to something else.

          • Craig Barnes

            Or you could just wait for the Ubuntu spin-off that uses Gnome Shell by default?

          • http://twitter.com/daviddelmar David Wade Ralston

            Why should we wait? What’s the benefit to me of waiting for a spin-off?

            Canonical’s direction is becoming increasingly clear, and I doubt both the soundness of their judgment and their commitment to the open source community.

          • Anonymous

            I really don’t see much reason to stick with Ubuntu now…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Had the same feeling too, great decision you made.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Had the same feeling too, great decision you made.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MYT2BRAJJMTSHAZ3XZVNFJM6GQ Buddy

        bye bye… hope you have a nice ride! ……. man… it’s just an OS… wtf? there’s much more life out there, dude.. in case you didn’t know, like dating a babe…

    • http://twitter.com/alexsleat Alex Sleat

      I’m switching to Arch now because there is nothing keeping me to Ubuntu anymore.

    • http://twitter.com/humphreybc Benjamin Humphrey

      Way ahead of you. I switched to Arch when Ubuntu was announced.

      And I make sure I tell everyone, too.

      • http://twitter.com/eylemkoca eylemkoca

        Good one, Ben! :D

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Oh come on dude, you didn’t even ask Linus the right questions…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HHS3YNBYUFBBEPUESRLV747QOM Dylan

        Benjamin = Winning! :)

    • http://twitter.com/mickstep Michael Stephenson

      I wonder if you’ll so vocally announce when you come whimpering back.

      • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

        Moved to Arch 2 months ago. Can’t be happier

        • Anonymous

          Im Happy For You……. No Realy I Am………

          • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

            Not enough dots…………………. Can’t feel it at all…………………….

          • http://www.facebook.com/souza.edson Souza Morais Edson

            If so why are you on OMG!”"”"”"Ubuntu”"”"”"? I don’t want to be a jerk it’s just a remark

          • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

            Because ubuntu is not the only topic here, if you ever noticed.
            And what do you mean by “Why are you here?”. It sounds like OMG is the only blog about linux on the net, or something. It’s just one out of my ~150 rss subsriptions, about 1/3 of which are linux-oriented.

          • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

            Not enough dots…………………. Can’t feel it at all…………………….

        • Anonymous

          Im Happy For You……. No Realy I Am………

        • Anonymous

          Im Happy For You……. No Realy I Am………

        • Anonymous

          Im Happy For You……. No Realy I Am………

    • Bilal Akhtar

      If you don’t like Unity, then you can install KDE or GNOME 3 on Natty.

      • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

        Gnome 3 is nearly as bad as Unity, I’m switching to XFCE!

        • http://twitter.com/MarcCoquand Marc Coquand

          Good for you.

        • http://twitter.com/MarcCoquand Marc Coquand

          Good for you.

        • http://twitter.com/MarcCoquand Marc Coquand

          Good for you.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          If only XFCE was a bit more polished !!

    • http://twitter.com/Sephiroth_VII NCLI

      You do realize that it will still be in the repos, right? Besides, someone is bound to make a respin with Gnome 2.XX installed by default. Hell, you can even do it yourself.

    • Craig Barnes

      That is such a stupid statement. Arch requires that you install a desktop environment of your choice anyway. Unity will most likely be among these choices in the near future.

      Just because Ubuntu has a “default” desktop environment doesn’t mean you are unable to change it. Quite the opposite in fact. It has been clearly stated all along that Gnome Shell will make an appearance when it’s available, for those who prefer it. You can also choose from pretty much every other desktop environment out there.

      If you don’t like the defaults — change them! These defaults are there purely to satisfy the greatest portion of users. They can’t please everyone.

      If you are really going to switch distro because of such ignorance, please do it quietly.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

        You really don’t get my point. I chose for Ubuntu for simpicity. I want it to work perfect out of the box. And YES i know it’s easy to install another DE, but then why bother using Ubuntu? If i want to ‘mod’ my distro, why don’t do it right all the way with Arch? Guess you didn’t think of that did you? Like you’re saying yourself: “If you don’t like the defaults — change them!”
        Well, with Arch i can change everything to what I want.

        YES, I like GNOME and I don’t like Unity. Is that really that much of a crime on this Unity-obsessed site?

        “please do it quietly.”
        And just the fact that you’re asking me not to comment here already prooves your narrow-mindedness. The main purpose of commenting on articles is voicing your opinion. And if my opinion doesn’t match yours you can always convince me of my wrong.

        Well this is my opinion and if you disagree of such ignorance, please do it quitely. (FYI, that was ironic)

        And @ Ben YES, I’ll make sure to tell everyone, once again the whole purpose of commenting is to voice your opinion. I disagree with Ubuntu’s decision. Now we won’t get any further if everybody’d sit quiet now, would we? Open your mind.
        Oh btw, you’re so funny, I like it. (No, really, you disappoint me.)

        • Craig Barnes

          This is even more stupid than your first comment. If you chose Ubuntu for “simpicity” then why in the world would you make Arch your second choice?

          Not liking Unity isn’t a crime but it’s a bit premature to say the least.

          Anyway, like I said, there is a Ubuntu flavour for almost every desktop environment available. For example, if you prefer the KDE experience then you don’t have to “mod” anything, you just need download Kubuntu. I’m sure the exact same simple solution will exist for GNOME3 shortly after a stable release. Whether it’s backed by Canonical or not, you can be sure it will happen.

          I’m not being narrow-minded at all but you are certainly being short-sighted.

          I could go on but if you haven’t got the point by now…..

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

            Either didn’t read my previous post, or you didn’t understand this line
            If i want to ‘mod’ my distro, why don’t do it right all the way with Arch?
            There is a Dutch saying that goes something like ‘If i do it, I’ll do it right’, ‘I don’t do half finished jobs’
            So if i’ll start modding my distro to my flavor, I’ll mod EVERYTHING the way i’ll like, not just the DE. So for me, it’s either a perfect out of the box experience (simplicity), OR mod everything the way I like with Arch. I’m even not only defending me, like in my post a little lower, there are SO MANY PEOPLE that WON’T be able to change DE. And YES, we have the right to complain, cause instead of you making a new distro for Unity, you’re ‘stealing’ Ubuntu from the GNOME users for Unity. That’s the other way around as it used to go in the past with Xubuntu, Kubuntu,…
            Normally YOU’d have to change distro, not us.

            And after a month of trying Unity, nothing is premature. Trust me, I TRIED to like it but I just didn’t.

            So no, Mr, I’m open for anything, but unlike you’re pointing out, and now you’re blaming me for being short-sighted for not liking it. Now if that isn’t short-sighted…

            Now i can go, but if you haven’t got the point by now…………. (yes, that was sarcastic and with many dots on purpose)
            And to all the other haters, please post somthething usefull instead of just brainless bashing (At least Craig is trying)

          • Craig Barnes

            OK, I’ll make it real simple for you. You can use GNOME2, which will be included on the CD, until 11.10.

            When GNOME3 has a stable release, it will be available in the official package archives. Anyone who actually understands the packaging process will know that this then makes it rather trivial to create a spin-off of Ubuntu, using GNOME3 as the default shell. Maybe Canonical will back it, maybe they won’t but it will happen regardless. Call it Gubuntu (speculatively) or whatever you want if it makes it easier to understand.

            Kubuntu is already doing the exact same thing – so it’s not like you don’t have any glaringly obvious examples to illustrate my point.

            Do you understand yet? If all this is too complicated for you, you should probably just wait until GNOME3 actually makes an appearance before you expend brain cycles trying to comprehend it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

            No you still don’t get it. Like it happened with Kubuntu, they made a derivative distribution for KDE. Why don’t you just make a derivative distro for Unity? ATM I still have to change distro, no matter if there will be a Gubuntu or whatever, just the fact that they’re practically forcing us to change distro is wrong. The people that disagree with GNOME should have made a new distro IMO. So Kubuntu is exactly MY point, if you don’t like the DE, make a new distro, don’t ruin (no offence) an existing & perfectly working one.

            And yes, i knew all the way there will be a Gubuntu or whatever, heck it, I could even try ‘n make it myself. But I won’t. So stop crying that I don’t understand it, I understood every tiny bit you said, but you’re missing my point here.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

            No you still don’t get it. Like it happened with Kubuntu, they made a derivative distribution for KDE. Why don’t you just make a derivative distro for Unity? ATM I still have to change distro, no matter if there will be a Gubuntu or whatever, just the fact that they’re practically forcing us to change distro is wrong. The people that disagree with GNOME should have made a new distro IMO. So Kubuntu is exactly MY point, if you don’t like the DE, make a new distro, don’t ruin (no offence) an existing & perfectly working one.

            And yes, i knew all the way there will be a Gubuntu or whatever, heck it, I could even try ‘n make it myself. But I won’t. So stop crying that I don’t understand it, I understood every tiny bit you said, but you’re missing my point here.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

            He didn’t understand your point.

            You are saying you prefer a simple experience, but if you can’t have the purely simple experience, then you prefer to do customization via a distro that’s designed to be customized.

            Makes perfect sense to me.

          • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

            “”"So if i’ll start modding my distro to my flavor, I’ll mod EVERYTHING the way i’ll like, not just the DE.”"”

            Because maybe all you need to change is the DE. With Ubuntu everything works out of the box, whether you like how it’s set up or now. Maybe I want to get a working system up and mod it later. Or gradually. Maybe I want to change my background, theme, DE, default web browser, etc, but I could care less which Kernel I’m running, as long as it works.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Newton/512458865 Jeremy Newton

            Well Gnome 3 will be included, officially or not, and all you will have to do is install/upgrade to natty and do something similar to “sudo apt-get install gnome3 && sudo apt-get purge unity” and it will give you the same results as making a so called “Gubuntu.” Personally, I’m gonna give Unity a shot when Natty comes out and if I don’t like it, I’ll install Gnome 3. They’re not forcing you to change if you don’t want to change; if you run the update manager it’s not going to update or reinstall Unity, because unity is gone if you purge it. This is just like how you can get Kubuntu from a maverick install by running “sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get purge gnome” (or something like that).

            Even beyond that, what’s the big deal? If you don’t like Ubuntu any more for whatever reason then don’t use it; there’s plenty of Linux out there to play with. I think Craig’s point isn’t trying to defeat your point but to show you that you don’t have to change if you don’t want that. Also I think he’s pointing out that Unity isn’t done yet, and may change. I personally hate the unity for Maverick but find the new unity oddly appealing. It may get better or worse, but you won’t know till it comes out unfortunately.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FULPTWZG5XREPNDJ2SIW6CM7DQ dangercamp

           Umm… wow. Not to be a troller, but you basically just said, “You said
          to change distros! Well, instead of all of that trouble I’ll just
          change distros instead! Didn’t think of THAT did you? And by the way,
          LET ME TROLL, because I AM A TROLLER AND I REFUSE TO LET THE INTERNET
          LIVE IN PEACE!!!”

          How about this:

          If you want to stick with Unity, do it;

          If you want to install another desktop in Ubuntu, do it;

          If you want to switch distros, do it;

          If you want to stop using Linux, do it.

          Remember when Linus first created Linux? He chose contributing to the
          free world of price-free and copyright-free GNU Public Licensing,
          instead of contributing his skills to the big companies and being paid
          big-time.

          Now, we are all forgetting the point.

          Linux: It is about FREEDOM! Both kinds: Free speech and free beer (don’t tell me you haven’t heard that before.)

          We are all getting too wrapped up in all of this distro-switching,
          desktop environment-picking, forum-filling nonsense. The point of Linux
          is to be able to do whatever you want, when you want, and to be able to
          modify your OS so that when it’s not there but you want it, you can have
          it. Do what you want to; don’t troll. LINUX PENGUINS UNITE!!!

          [End of inspiring speech]

      • http://twitter.com/christianjager Christian Jäger

        Craig; this won’t work.

        You won’t be able to run GNOME 3 ontop of Ubuntu easily. Ubuntu will continue to be based on GTK 2, heavily patched. EVERYTHING in Ubuntu will continue to be based on GTK 2. GNOME 3 is based on GTK 3. It would take a fork of Ubuntu that rebuilds every single piece of software in GTK 3 to make Ubuntu GNOME-3-compatible.

        • Akshat Jain

          How so?

        • Bilal Akhtar

          sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
          sudo apt-get update
          sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
          sudo apt-get install gnome-shell gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-themes-standard
          (reboot)

          VOILA! You have a GNOME 2.91.94 (latest unstable version of GNOME3) desktop on your Natty Narwhal!
          (Don’t just follow the above commands blindly, some things are known to break with that PPA, but we’re fixing it, and by next week the PPA will be stable enough for daily GNOME3 usage on Natty).

        • https://launchpad.net/~sabdfl Mark Shuttleworth

          Christian, I’m very confident that GNOME 3 will run just fine in 11.10. The degree of breakage was too high for us to include much of GNOME 3 in 11.04; we ship to millions of users, and trying to include all of GNOME 3 would have made the endeavour too risky. Nevertheless, in 11.10, we will have gtk3 as the preferred version of gtk, and take GNOME 3 apps by default.

          I appreciate that your intent was not to confuse or mislead people, but your statement that “Ubuntu will continue to be based on GTK 2, heavily patched” is simply not true.

          • http://twitter.com/christianjager Christian Jäger

            Thanks for clearing that up!

            How do you intend to cope with core applications using clutter, or even mutter? (I’m thinking of Totem which will start using clutter and clutter-gst in GNOME 3.2.) Will Ubuntu eventually incorporate clutter, make the switch to mutter instead of compiz, or do you intend to simply ditch apps that use those GNOME components?

          • http://twitter.com/me4oslav Georgi Karavasilev

            Please, not Mutter.
            Compiz is freaking awesome and it is packed with all kinds of plugins and customization options and can easily make Aero and Aqua look like childish interface.
            I don’t want Compiz death for the sake of change, Compiz is prrety perfect so no one will benefit from rediscovering the wheel with Mutter.
            Mutter IS the main reasons I don’t like Gnome-Shell, I want my Compiz plugins back, not just “Snap” one.

        • Craig Barnes

          It appears you’ve just been proven wrong by the highest authority on the subject.

        • Craig Barnes

          It appears you’ve just been proven wrong by the highest authority on the subject.

        • Craig Barnes

          It appears you’ve just been proven wrong by the highest authority on the subject.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

        Hm, I’m reading *the article* and it seems that the entire point of it is letting everyone know that the classic desktop will not be an option in 11.04:

        “[W]e have the Classic desktop fallback in Natty, but will not in Oneiric.”

        Can you explain your comments after you actually read the article?

        • Craig Barnes

          First you say “…it seems that the entire point of it is letting everyone know that the classic desktop will not be an option in 11.04″ and then you refer to the quote “[W]e have the Classic desktop fallback in Natty”.

          Last I checked 11.04 *IS* Natty.

          craig@****:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release
          DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
          DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.04
          DISTRIB_CODENAME=natty
          DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=”Ubuntu Natty (development branch)”

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

            Yes, typo on my part. I meant 11.10, not 11.04. My point (which you chose to ignore based on the typo) remains.

          • Craig Barnes

            You just repeated the article and then asked me to explain myself but since Disqus completely mangles the nesting when more than a few people reply, I have no idea which comment you are referring to.

    • http://twitter.com/EuruxD Eustace

      Arch is sooo overrated.

    • http://twitter.com/EuruxD Eustace

      Arch is sooo overrated.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4LXTMAC7KVMD7JBKWBCCBU4HSU inner_turbulence

        no, it’s not.

        • https://launchpad.net/~vovkkk vovkkk

          yes, it is

          • http://profiles.google.com/lightningworks Egan Neuhengen

            This? This is a mature conversation.

          • http://twitter.com/ottorobba Otto Robba

            no, it’s not.

            Sorry, couldn’t resist :P

        • Anonymous

          The fact that it doesn’t even have a GUI to install the damn OS is pretty sad.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4LXTMAC7KVMD7JBKWBCCBU4HSU inner_turbulence

            oh please, make some educated comment or keep quiet.

          • Anonymous

            yes, oh please

        • Anonymous

          The fact that it doesn’t even have a GUI to install the damn OS is pretty sad.

        • http://twitter.com/EuruxD Eustace

          Also, Arch users are sooo arrogant!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4LXTMAC7KVMD7JBKWBCCBU4HSU inner_turbulence

        no, it’s not.

    • Akshat Jain

      good to know

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VVFJAAR4PBTTFWNWT2CFRXZRCA Rebecca

      You are being over drastic about this all. You could try Linux Mint (the debian based spin) instead of going through all the innumerable insufferable and unnamed hassles of Arch.

      Mark my words, if Unity becomes the default DE for Ubuntu, someone will come up with Gubuntu and everything will be fine. And if Gnome3 is too much of a burden, people will continue Gnome2 by forking it.

      OMG! Even going to [X|K]ubuntu would be a much more sensible solution!

      Arch is not the heaven that Arch users paint it to be.

      • Anonymous

        Won’t there be a version of Gnome 3 that is like Gnome 2?

        • http://twitter.com/daviddelmar David Wade Ralston

          There is Gnome 3 without the Gnome Shell, yes.

          Mint plans to use it.

      • Anonymous

        Won’t there be a version of Gnome 3 that is like Gnome 2?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

        You don’t understand it. Along this topic there are quite a lot of unhappy people, and when 11.04 finnaly releases, MANY other Ubuntu users will follow. Think about the old people, or the computer laics. Remember that most users on this blog are ‘power users’. My grandfather or sister would have no clue on installing GNOME on his Ubuntu Desktop. Those old people and laics don’t want nor need change. And believe it or not, but that’s a really BIG group of Ubuntu that cannological is ignoring now.
        The Way it usually goes in linux, and the way it SHOULD HAVE GONE is:
        1) People disagree about somthing (GNOME)
        2) People work together for a new spinnoff.
        Now THAT’S how Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Rubuntu, Edubuntu, Studiobuntu and so many more were made. Why couldn’t you guys just make a Uubuntu or whatever?

        • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

          I happen to have a lot of annecdotal evidence that new Ubuntu users seem to like Unity just fine, and most of them are looking forward to when it’s fully released.

          • http://twitter.com/Emacs232 Denis Cheremisov

            > new Ubuntu users
            most of those “new Ubuntu users” use it occasionally and Windows remains their main OS. They tend to like it because it looks fancy and that’s all. Don’t take them too serious. Unity is just unable to match Windows in the workflow efficiency (although Gnome 2 is superior and much more superior combined with Synapse/Gnome-Do). GS has some nice ideas that really make a sense (mostly it’s their Alt+Tab switcher and notification system that is much better than canonical indicators). But gnome 2 with those things implemented would be even better.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VVFJAAR4PBTTFWNWT2CFRXZRCA Rebecca

      You are being over drastic about this all. You could try Linux Mint (the debian based spin) instead of going through all the innumerable insufferable and unnamed hassles of Arch.

      Mark my words, if Unity becomes the default DE for Ubuntu, someone will come up with Gubuntu and everything will be fine. And if Gnome3 is too much of a burden, people will continue Gnome2 by forking it.

      OMG! Even going to [X|K]ubuntu would be a much more sensible solution!

      Arch is not the heaven that Arch users paint it to be.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VVFJAAR4PBTTFWNWT2CFRXZRCA Rebecca

      You are being over drastic about this all. You could try Linux Mint (the debian based spin) instead of going through all the innumerable insufferable and unnamed hassles of Arch.

      Mark my words, if Unity becomes the default DE for Ubuntu, someone will come up with Gubuntu and everything will be fine. And if Gnome3 is too much of a burden, people will continue Gnome2 by forking it.

      OMG! Even going to [X|K]ubuntu would be a much more sensible solution!

      Arch is not the heaven that Arch users paint it to be.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      I switched to Fedora, and been quite great. I miss apt-get but yum is doing fine. Yet to see a system crash on boot, like it was with Ubby.

    • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

      Bye then?
      Not everyone loves default gnome, remember that.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      Called it a day on Ubby, too.
      Can’t stand these drastic changes any longer.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ON6CS3UJOSXBQ7RM3LUWAERN2A d4rk_l1gh7

      If you’re really Pro-Gnome then try to support and create new distro for Ubuntu: Gubuntu (with Gnome). Just like There’s Kubuntu for KDE and now, Ubuntu for Unity. See, first letters tells your desktop environment. Should be a good idea for Gnome lovers.

    • http://twitter.com/zc456 Squeaks

      Ya’ know how Unity 2D is in the repositories? So will Gnome 3.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yannick-Verbinnen/534760361 Yannick Verbinnen

    That’s it for me. I’m switching to Arch when 11.10 comes out.
    Not everybody loves Unity, remember that.

  • http://www.chriswilkinson.me chris_wilkinson

    I like Unity but there should still be an option for Gnome….

    • Bilal Akhtar

      You mean GNOME 2 or GNOME 3?

      • http://www.chriswilkinson.me chris_wilkinson

        Good question. The basic GNOME 2. Then you can have either a nice fancy UI or a boring but still functional one. Obviously if users wanted GNOME 3 they could install it themselves.

        • Anonymous

          Obviously if users wanted GNOME 2 they could install it themselves.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

            Or maybe give XFCE a try ;)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

            Or maybe give XFCE a try ;)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

            Or maybe give XFCE a try ;)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

            Or maybe give XFCE a try ;)

        • Anonymous

          Obviously if users wanted GNOME 2 they could install it themselves.

        • Anonymous

          Obviously if users wanted GNOME 2 they could install it themselves.

        • Anonymous

          Obviously if users wanted GNOME 2 they could install it themselves.

      • http://www.chriswilkinson.me chris_wilkinson

        Good question. The basic GNOME 2. Then you can have either a nice fancy UI or a boring but still functional one. Obviously if users wanted GNOME 3 they could install it themselves.

    • Anonymous

      and there will be in the repos……just like there is now.

      what’s the big deal? Unless somebody forks Gnome 2 you might as well get used to it.

    • Anonymous

      and there will be in the repos……just like there is now.

      what’s the big deal? Unless somebody forks Gnome 2 you might as well get used to it.

      • http://twitter.com/caseyjp11 Casey

        cough….xfce….cough.

      • http://twitter.com/caseyjp11 Casey

        cough….xfce….cough.

      • http://twitter.com/caseyjp11 Casey

        cough….xfce….cough.

    • Anonymous

      and there will be in the repos……just like there is now.

      what’s the big deal? Unless somebody forks Gnome 2 you might as well get used to it.

    • Anonymous

      and there will be in the repos……just like there is now.

      what’s the big deal? Unless somebody forks Gnome 2 you might as well get used to it.

    • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

      Is there still an option for gnome 1 ?
      No, that would be stupid

  • http://www.chriswilkinson.me chris_wilkinson

    I like Unity but there should still be an option for Gnome….

  • Anonymous

    I think that they should keep the classic desktop option. If they don’t, I might swich to Kubuntu or Xubuntu (seeing that KDE ad XFCE are the only two main enviroments that are keeping customisation at a high level).

  • Anonymous

    I think that they should keep the classic desktop option. If they don’t, I might swich to Kubuntu or Xubuntu (seeing that KDE ad XFCE are the only two main enviroments that are keeping customisation at a high level).

    • http://twitter.com/Sephiroth_VII NCLI

      1. Unity is young. Customization is still not well supported, but that doesn’t mean it will continue to be that way.

      2. Gnome 2.XX will stay in the repos, as long as it is wanted and maintained.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stevenfarless Steven Farless

    Oh come on! That’s ridiculous!

  • http://www.facebook.com/stevenfarless Steven Farless

    Oh come on! That’s ridiculous!

    • http://twitter.com/d2kx Dennis MH

      It’s not, because 99%+ wouldn’t want to switch back from Unity for very good reasons.

      • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

        I’d like to hear you sources of information.

      • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

        I’d like to hear you sources of information.

      • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

        I’d like to hear you sources of information.

        • Anonymous

          Laziness of course.

        • Anonymous

          Laziness of course.

        • Anonymous

          Laziness of course.

      • http://mukizu.animeblogs.ru/ mukizu

        I’d like to hear you sources of information.

      • http://profiles.google.com/nirjhar85 Nirjhar Das

        day dreaming is bad

      • http://profiles.google.com/nirjhar85 Nirjhar Das

        day dreaming is bad

    • Anonymous

      No, actually YOU’re being ridiculous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tonyrgallagher Tony Gallagher

    It’s my computer, and you’re telling me how I can use it? That’s it for me. I’m going to look at other distros.

    • http://twitter.com/d2kx Dennis MH

      No they’re not. That’s why we have apt-get.

      • Anonymous

        but I’m too lazy to use apt-get, it’s far easy to just install another distribution and keep that default settings. Besides, I like the Arch default wallpaper.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/JubJub-Favha/100001632090683 JubJub Favha

          Please tell me joking are joking.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/JubJub-Favha/100001632090683 JubJub Favha

          Please tell me joking are joking.

      • Anonymous

        but I’m too lazy to use apt-get, it’s far easy to just install another distribution and keep that default settings. Besides, I like the Arch default wallpaper.

    • Anonymous

      wtf? You can install whatever DE you want, but Ubuntu will only ship with Unity.

      Canonical is not Apple, people..

      • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

        not yet anyway :D

        • http://calixte.myopenid.com/ Calixte

          You’re being dramatic because? Ubuntu is Open source, and Gubuntu (or something) will appear quite soon enough for people who want to keep Gnome.

          And if Ubuntu’s not for you, why whine? Just be happy that it’s improving for some people.

      • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

        not yet anyway :D

      • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

        not yet anyway :D

      • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

        not yet anyway :D

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Man, last time I tried Unity, it sure seemed like Apple.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Man, last time I tried Unity, it sure seemed like Apple.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Man, last time I tried Unity, it sure seemed like Apple.

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        yeah but why should we HAVE to put up with unity and install a different DE anyhow? its to much trouble

        • Anonymous

          Debian ffs.

        • Anonymous

          because gnome panel is too ugly for words and doesn’t make sense as a modern interface.

          However if you’re saying why didn’t they work with gnome shell then I don’t know.

          • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

            gnome isn’t ugly at all

          • Anonymous

            The panels are better looking than unity or the shell . They just needed to be improved , not ditched .

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        yeah but why should we HAVE to put up with unity and install a different DE anyhow? its to much trouble

    • Anonymous

      bye

    • Anonymous

      bye

    • Anonymous

      bye

    • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

      Is that what you said when it shipped with gnome 2?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      No matter how good a dictator is, he will eventually make a wrong decision down the path…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      No matter how good a dictator is, he will eventually make a wrong decision down the path…

  • http://www.facebook.com/tonyrgallagher Tony Gallagher

    It’s my computer, and you’re telling me how I can use it? That’s it for me. I’m going to look at other distros.

  • https://launchpad.net/~winniemiel05 Kévin PEIGNOT

    You are all dreaming… Arch, Fedora, Debian will switch to GS or Unity too. It’s like KDE3 : It isn’t present by default in majors distribs today. But I’m sure Gnome panel will still be in the repos… Just need to install it ! It’s stupid to change distrib just because of that !

    EDIT : And Unity will be very better for 11.10… ;) be confident :D

    • http://twitter.com/caseyjp11 Casey

      I see you don’t know much about Arch from that post, I’m guessing. Why on earth would Arch linux SWITCH to something it doesn’t install in the first place? hmmmm? With Arch, the USER has the choice of what to bolt to the system…not the other way around.

      –using Arch for two years. Ubuntu relegated to the netbook, but as Unity is looking more and more like something I don’t like all that much, I will probably move that to Arch as well. (personal choice here. I prefer to put my docks and such where I want, and this “gotta keep it over “here” + other nits and picks annoys me.)

  • https://launchpad.net/~winniemiel05 Kévin PEIGNOT

    You are all dreaming… Arch, Fedora, Debian will switch to GS or Unity too. It’s like KDE3 : It isn’t present by default in majors distribs today. But I’m sure Gnome panel will still be in the repos… Just need to install it ! It’s stupid to change distrib just because of that !

    EDIT : And Unity will be very better for 11.10… ;) be confident :D

  • AJ

    What is the problem..? You can install whatever environment you want if you don’t like the default.

    People are so melodramatic. Canonical are trying to create a more coherent desktop experience, but if you don’t like it – just change it rather than switching distros.

    That is just as bad as switching to Mint because you don’t have to install flash out of the box -_-

    • Anonymous

      The thing is, the difference between distros is really small, especially when so many distributions are based on Debian/Ubuntu. When you can make Debian work and look like Ubuntu, Ubuntu like elementary OS or Linux Mint, it’s the out-of-the-box experience that counts.

      I myself plan to switch to Fedora, mainly because I prefer Gnome Shell over Unity. Shell will be the core experience in Fedora, so I expect it to get better treatment than it would in Ubuntu. Also, I really don’t want Ubuntu to install Unity and related packages on my computer every time I update the OS. Nor do I need Qt.

      Is there a reason not to switch distros? Why do you find it so bad to switch?

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/L7L7TGYKNBABWM3N7ELVBTLV3E Virgil

        @ Mirek_2 about: “Is there a reason not to switch distros? Why do you find it so bad to switch?”

        It is not so much switching distros that is the issue. It is all free software no matter what you use. It is that folks tend to drag down conversations with semi-threats about leaving so-and-so distro. I find it in most cases to be absurd and merely a source of drama. A healthy community is hard to maintain when they read threads full of misinformation and uncertainly.

        Really switching, because you want to switch? There is certainly no problem with that. I myself switched from Ubuntu to Debian after nearly 4 years of using it. Not because of anything Canonical did; If anything Ubuntu is getting better for my needs. Nope, simply because I wanted a change. Something a little less colourful and more conservative.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

        It’s becoming pretty much annoying here too, I’m neither looking for Unity Shell, nor do I seek Gnome Shell, I just want to retain the Classic Desktop look and Feel, and most importantly I need all the power and the RAM I can have for more Resources Hungry software, mainly for the CGI and VFX and Video Compositing Tools, I don’t even use Docky or AWN for the Speed and Performance sake, then Unity came and ruin it all!!!

        Ok, Unity is good and it’s the answer for some people but surely not for everyone, I was thinking for a Switch, and I spotted hundreds over Linux Mint’s Blog, Bodhi Linux, and Fedora, they’re all fleeing from Unity’s flood, just like I was trying to survive for the same reasons.

        Ironically, Unity works just fine on my old Laptop Dedicated to Web Surfing, while it freezes and won’t pass the startup phase after it shows Unity’s launcher, even on an nVidia GTX Powered GPU!!! Neither did it work for another one with 9800GT, or 7300GS, is it the MoBo? Is it the CPUs!? I don’t know, and I didn’t try hard for it, because I’m not interested in first place!!

        I’m using the No-Effects option, which I believe it relies on the old Desktop Environment for now, and I thought it’s OK, I can always make benefit of the Regular updates, and Launchpad, let alone the Debs available everywhere for everything, but announcing that Ubuntu’s dropping the Old-Desktop from now on, I thought I should start thinking again about Switching to something else for good, may be a Debian based to benefit from Launchpad as well, may be Linux Mint or Linux Mint-Debian version.

        If I’ll consider Fedora, then I’ll go CentOS instead.

        I’m just waiting for where this wave would lead these people to, and I’ll jump with them, at least to find some sort of Bonding and Support.

        I’ve been an Ubuntu Promoter since 2007, and we’ve installed and Upgraded Ubuntu since then for free, and for several guys, now it looks as if we’ve been left in the cold, I don’t know why Mark is showing a little bit of bitterness and somehow Enmity towards the Gnome Environment in general; however, Ubuntu’s still based on Gnome as well.

        May be we need a Fork from the actual Ubuntu, just like how Canonical maintained both a Desktop and a Netbook version so far, they can maintain a Unity and a non-Unity version as well, or at least a new hero would be expected to show and do the Task for us.

        I don’t have issues imitating something good from any other OS, I myself enjoyed the Mac and still do from time to time, but it doesn’t feel the right choice for me, I mean if Ubuntu brought something like the MAcOSX Dock and make it part of the Window Compositor for once, and tried bettering it with something like Apple’s Quartz, it would have felt much better, I’m not talking about Docky and Mono, I’m talking about a core C/C++ written Component for the main GUI.

        No matter how hard I tried to accept Unity’s launcher and digest it, it refused but to look ugly on my Desktop, I don’t like the idea of it on the left so to speak.

        Anyway, it’s always about flavors and I guess time has come for a change, and this is not just my Opinion, but my whole crew in the work, and we were almost Ubuntu and Mac based, and RedHat for the Server, we just need to make our minds on where to move and we’ll be moving.

        It’s very critical for us, as we need to migrate our Tools too, and may re-acquire new licenses in some cases, and sort out the Libs’ dependencies, and the whatnot, but truly, this is not what we’ve expected from Ubuntu to be honest, still it was predictable :) Mark’s trying to take control of what he’s doing, and this is enough to show the man some respect, thanks Mark for providing us our OS of choice all these years, now time’s up for a change.

        Or may be, wait till the new version is released and check if some old veterans would declare their Junta state and fork us something new, or may be Canonical would change their minds again.

        At the moment we’ll keep using Ubuntu and dual booting with Linux Mint, because Mint’s thinking about moving to Gnome Shell as well.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

          I was thinking if there are others interested into Forking a new Distro, something like Debian or CentOS.

          I chose those 2 Distros because they’re Enterprise Dedicated, and they focus more on stability as well as being lightweight, with less burdening Packages and Bloaty applications, Debian is somehow an exception but it isn’t dedicated to regular users anyway.

          So the Customization Process would be much easier and smoother, I’m more familiarized with Debianizing the Packages and Apt-Getting what’s needed to be added, but RedHat’s RPMs worth the Praise as well, which means there is no problem YUMing a little bit too.

          Is there anybody interested?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

            I guess forking Fedora or CentOS or Debian is pointless. What the community clearly needs is a Ubuntu fork. Something like “Ubuntu Legacy”. The target here is clearly the Unity rebelled people, who actually loved Ubuntu and now can’t stand Unity. This is one of the reasons Linux Mint is scaling the top of DistroWatch.com really fast…

          • http://grvrulz.wordpress.com/ Gaurav

            If you want an Ubuntu derivative without unity and crap and a nice blueish desktop then you should try Trisquel http://trisquel.info . Its a fully free(as in freedom) derivative and doesn’t provide proprietary software and firmware, but it’s a great budding and helpful community and a great experience too. :D

          • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

            The fact that Linux Mint is moving towards Gnome Shell is holding us back as well.

            A fancy GUI doesn’t mean a self sufficient OS, a classic Gnome Interface + some Gnome-look.org Gtk/Metacity Themes & Iconset would result in what’s called a Fancy OS without a doubt, and more importantly a less power hungry than Compiz for instance, and more Customizable than Unity.

            And a more polished design, doesn’t necessarily mean 3D effects with Compiz involved in it.

            Anyway, I’d agree with staying within Ubuntu’s streamline, because it’ll offer the Launchpad forward compatibility, and the great Kernel Updates, plus we’re too familiarized with Debian’s Packaging Management than that of RedHat’s, but as everybody knows, no one knows as well where the good lies, and what would be better to hold on to.

            I’m opened for all the suggestions, but this doesn’t mean that we aren’t going to check up other different Platforms, before taking an un-BSed decision.

            Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us by the way.

          • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

            How many people here have actually really used Unity lately? We get features and new fixes every Thursday, so if you haven’t tried it since then, you don’t have an accurate representation.

            Unity, right now reminds me a lot of what I used to think about Gnome Shell back when it was still the old-look version. I kept knocking it and knocking it, even when I used it. Then, I switched back to Gnome Classic, and found my self getting disappointed when the desktop didn’t zoom as I threw the mouse to the corner. I realized that a lot of the things in Gnome Shell really worked, as much as I hated them at the time. It was a solid, usable shell.

            I used to feel exactly the same way about Unity, but after really using it for a Month, and learning all of the quirks, I’ve found myself to be a really productive user since switching to Unity, even despite all of it’s crashing and instability, which will be fixed by the 28th. It has it’s odd moments, sure. But did anyone here jump into Ubuntu and begin using it as fluently as they do now? Any interface will take adjustment, and once that adjustment period is over is the time to really judge an interface. Using the latest Alpha for a week isn’t.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

            @lan, It’s not about using Unity to its fullest potential or not, I’ve tried it with Mutter and Compiz alike, I tried the 2d Version, and I’ve been messing with it since the 10.10 release, both on i386 and AMD64 versions, and I’ve used Natty since Alpha3 until now, and I assure you that I know what I’m looking for, and I’m still using it on my Laptop for surfing.

            The question is, what is the usability of Unity knowing that it compromises the OS efficiency, I know that lots of guys won’t use over 10% of the Power they got, but me and thousands of others are using in some cases a Dual CPU motherboards and they’re still lacking a lot, and the main factor that made us to choose Linux, is its efficiency, stability and speed, and we chose Ubuntu because of its usability, large community, available resources, launchpad, and its beauty that doesn’t risk its performance.

            Now this view is changing, it’s not about opposing anything new, no, we’d like to see all the innovation of Linux on our Distros, but as long as they don’t affect our productivity and functionality.

            Not mentioning the idea of the left panel which we know it’s not ( Democracy ).

            I was playing with CentOS-LiveCD yesterday, and I was able to install aptRPM and then Synaptic, I think small efforts can turn it to an Ubuntu Legacy like + it’s Enterprise power, i.e. Security and Kernel Patches.

            Anyway, that was just a quick glance and it needs more investigation, but it was my 5 cents anyway.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

            @lan, It’s not about using Unity to its fullest potential or not, I’ve tried it with Mutter and Compiz alike, I tried the 2d Version, and I’ve been messing with it since the 10.10 release, both on i386 and AMD64 versions, and I’ve used Natty since Alpha3 until now, and I assure you that I know what I’m looking for, and I’m still using it on my Laptop for surfing.

            The question is, what is the usability of Unity knowing that it compromises the OS efficiency, I know that lots of guys won’t use over 10% of the Power they got, but me and thousands of others are using in some cases a Dual CPU motherboards and they’re still lacking a lot, and the main factor that made us to choose Linux, is its efficiency, stability and speed, and we chose Ubuntu because of its usability, large community, available resources, launchpad, and its beauty that doesn’t risk its performance.

            Now this view is changing, it’s not about opposing anything new, no, we’d like to see all the innovation of Linux on our Distros, but as long as they don’t affect our productivity and functionality.

            Not mentioning the idea of the left panel which we know it’s not ( Democracy ).

            I was playing with CentOS-LiveCD yesterday, and I was able to install aptRPM and then Synaptic, I think small efforts can turn it to an Ubuntu Legacy like + it’s Enterprise power, i.e. Security and Kernel Patches.

            Anyway, that was just a quick glance and it needs more investigation, but it was my 5 cents anyway.

          • http://www.khattam.info _khAttAm_

            What would be the purpose of the fork?

        • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

          I was thinking if there are others interested into Forking a new Distro, something like Debian or CentOS.

          I chose those 2 Distros because they’re Enterprise Dedicated, and they focus more on stability as well as being lightweight, with less burdening Packages and Bloaty applications, Debian is somehow an exception but it isn’t dedicated to regular users anyway.

          So the Customization Process would be much easier and smoother, I’m more familiarized with Debianizing the Packages and Apt-Getting what’s needed to be added, but RedHat’s RPMs worth the Praise as well, which means there is no problem YUMing a little bit too.

          Is there anybody interested?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000341518332 Christopher Patrick

          mint is doing the gnome 3 without the gnome shell and using the ubuntu repos

          • http://www.facebook.com/ouahabix Aboubakr Seddik Ouahabi

            I’ve read somewhere that’s going to be changed in the future, but if I’m wrong, it’ll mean that we’ll all be thankful to them for the next coming years too :)

        • http://twitter.com/DarthScape Kyle B

          tldnr

      • AJ

        It is so simple to change to whatever you want. If you don’t like the environment, why would you need to change distro?

        Most people whine about needing change, and when it comes they leave, or threaten to leave – I don’t know which is worse. The thing that gets me is people that decide they don’t like something before they try it.

        You are clearly tech-savvy and it is just surprising to see that you, along with many others, are eager to distro-hop. Ubuntu is gaining Distro market share, and becoming the best, and most usable and stable platform that it has ever been.

        I hope people are willing to stick with it Unity until they have used it enough to make an informed choice, and then (rather than go to Fedora), install a different environment.

        • http://twitter.com/daviddelmar David Wade Ralston

          I’m not so sure it’ll be so easy to use whatever you want.

          I know it’s still early and everything is in Beta, but I’m having a hard time getting Gnome shell to run properly in Natty. It seems there are conflicting libraries between it and Unity. Maybe that will settle down by the end of the month, but like Mirek_2, it’s got me distro shopping.

          It runs like a dream in openSuse and Fedora.

          Personally, I find Unity unusable, and I confess that it’s provoked serious doubts about Shuttleworth and Canonical’s judgment and goals.

          To alert me that an application needs my attention, the 16 X 16 icon in the upper left corner changes from grey-white to teal blue? Really?

          The shortcut icons in the dash…four magnifying glass monochrome icons with way too much “glow” applied? And Apps is represented by a magnifying glass with a plus symbol in it? Really? That’s not very helpful, and I still have to read the caption after a week with Unity.

          The fundamental principles behind Gnome-shell and Unity are not that different. For me, the Shell is a better implementation of those principles by far.

          So what exactly have Shuttleworth and Canonical gained by going out on their own with Unity?

          Diversity in desktop environments is great. It’s a strength, not a weakness. But if Unity is Canonical’s idea of a good one, it’s probably time for me to move along.

          • Anonymous

            Realistically, I’ll probably eventually move from Ubuntu too. Distros rise, distros fall, and the longer you use a computer (especially using Linux), you get a better, more specific idea of what you want out of it. And perhaps you’ll find a distro that better caters to your needs. Best of luck!

          • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

            Gnome Shell has issues in Ubuntu because Ubuntu uses GTK2, and Shell requires GTK3. When Ubuntu makes the move to GTK3, it’ll be as simple as running Gnome and XFCE on the same computer.

        • Anonymous

          Again, why is it so bad to switch distributions?

          Like Ubuntu, Fedora is FOSS. The company that provides most of its funding, Red Hat, has contributed a great deal to FOSS and I hold nothing against it. I find Fedora with Gnome Shell very usable and more streamlined than Ubuntu.

          I feel that I’ll get a much better experience with a clean Fedora desktop rather than with a heavily customized Ubuntu desktop. Fedora will also be much easier to maintain, since I won’t have to remove all the cruft that comes with Unity, Banshee, Qt, and other packages when updating my operating system.

          P. S. I tried Unity, both the Mutter version and the Compiz version, and I really didn’t like the experience. The launcher gets in the way for me (even when hidden) — it’d be great if I could put it (with the Ubuntu button) on the right, away from application commands, but that idea has been rejected. I don’t like the auto-hiding menus and the new look of the launcher (I prefer the old Mutter version for these reasons). I find window switching to be easier in Gnome Shell than Unity (having used a Mac for about two years, I’m used to its Exposé feature), I prefer having menus in the window, and I really like the interactive Messaging tray.

          • http://twitter.com/joebramblett Joe Bramblett

            Mainly, distro-hopping is bad because it brings us back to the biggest problems of  old Windows versions; the frequent format-reinstall instead of getting work done.
            I want them to leave the interface alone for the same reason that I don’t want Chevrolet to take away my steering wheel and move the gearshift into the trunk; I have a good, steady workflow, and making major interface changes interferes with that for no good reason.

          • Anonymous

            This is basically it, in a nutshell. Change for the sake of change (or being different) is what seems to be the basis for “Unity”. Innovation is good and all, but there is really no need to reinvent the wheel. Why does my computer look like an iPod yet I have no touch screen?

      • https://profiles.google.com/ISantop Ian

        Well, having to learn yum and rpm over deb and apt is one huge reason.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

          They aren’t that different.

          • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

            Yes, they are.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

            Nice rebuttal. Grow up.

          • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

            @Cliff W:
            DEBIAN directory is one huge start. The Debian system is much more robust and self sufficient. Initially, from an End User perspective, they may be very similar. But apt’s reliability is huge next to yum, and that’s not something I’ve seen a trend towards changing in RPM.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

            You are conflating several aspects here.

            1. RPM and deb are package formats and they are practically interchangeable from a feature perspective (which is why tools like alien can work and why APT was able to be ported to handle RPMs).

            2. Yum and Apt are package managers. Again, they don’t differ enough to make a huge difference to users (I’ve used both for several years now). Yum used to be a slow piece of crap that didn’t handle conflicts well, but that hasn’t been true in quite a while.

            3. The Debian repositories *are* a huge win over the Fedora/Redhat equivalents. If this is the basis of your position, then there’s no argument from me. Unfortunately you seem to make the same mistake many others do, which is seeing the poor ecosystem and somehow thinking that reflects on the software or package formats surrounding it.

            Incidentally, both Yum and Apt are absolute shite compared to SmartPM. Unfortunately it never caught the traction and developer attention it needed to stay current with all the distros it supports.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

          They aren’t that different.

      • http://twitter.com/lgblgblgb Gábor Lénárt

        I am bit confused about your comment now: you stated that difference between distros are small. Then why do you switch? You can use gnome shell in ubuntu too. And I can’t understand why “out of the box” experience counts. I think most of people have the need in their heart to have their own customization (in any area of life, just like with our home, we don’t want homes looks the very same – each of them, we need some personalized stuffs). Just many not-so-technical people are not so in the technology to be able to do this easily. But if you can, why is “out of the box experience” is so important that it worth even changing distribution? It sounds a bit unlogical for me.

        And btw, it’s not about that it’s bad to change to another distribution, just the reason sounds odd for me. I can have to reason that “because I want to try fedora too, period”. And that’s fine.

        • http://mirek2.mp/ Mirek2

          With Debian-based distros, the difference really is basically just in the out-of-the-box experience, because you can install or remove pretty much everything manually. True, Fedora differs in bigger aspects, especially in the package manager, but it is still very similar to Ubuntu and about as supported. (Although it’s true that a number of Linux developers fine-tune their applications especially for Ubuntu.)

          I’m changing distros because I don’t want to have the extra cruft that comes with Unity. I also prefer to have a distro optimized for the experience I want. It’s the same reason why one might install Lubuntu instead of Ubuntu and then install LXDE on top. Uninstalling all the stuff that I don’t want with every Ubuntu update is painstaking and unnecessary.

          (Unnecesary personal note: It seems like now I’m switching to Linux Mint instead of Fedora, and to LXDE instead of Gnome 3. While I do like a lot about the new Gnome 3 experience, Gnome 3 is barely usable on a low-resolution screen, like the one of my netbook that I use. It also requires more resources than I’d like it to, and I really don’t need the special effects that come with compositing window managers. Although LXDE has a LOT of rough edges, it’s wonderfully light and fast. The reason why I chose Linux Mint Debian Edition as a distro is because, apparently, it is lighter than Ubuntu and because I’d really like to try a rolling-release distro.)

        • http://mirek2.mp/ Mirek2

          With Debian-based distros, the difference really is basically just in the out-of-the-box experience, because you can install or remove pretty much everything manually. True, Fedora differs in bigger aspects, especially in the package manager, but it is still very similar to Ubuntu and about as supported. (Although it’s true that a number of Linux developers fine-tune their applications especially for Ubuntu.)

          I’m changing distros because I don’t want to have the extra cruft that comes with Unity. I also prefer to have a distro optimized for the experience I want. It’s the same reason why one might install Lubuntu instead of Ubuntu and then install LXDE on top. Uninstalling all the stuff that I don’t want with every Ubuntu update is painstaking and unnecessary.

          (Unnecesary personal note: It seems like now I’m switching to Linux Mint instead of Fedora, and to LXDE instead of Gnome 3. While I do like a lot about the new Gnome 3 experience, Gnome 3 is barely usable on a low-resolution screen, like the one of my netbook that I use. It also requires more resources than I’d like it to, and I really don’t need the special effects that come with compositing window managers. Although LXDE has a LOT of rough edges, it’s wonderfully light and fast. The reason why I chose Linux Mint Debian Edition as a distro is because, apparently, it is lighter than Ubuntu and because I’d really like to try a rolling-release distro.)

    • Anonymous

      The thing is, the difference between distros is really small, especially when so many distributions are based on Debian/Ubuntu. When you can make Debian work and look like Ubuntu, Ubuntu like elementary OS or Linux Mint, it’s the out-of-the-box experience that counts.

      I myself plan to switch to Fedora, mainly because I prefer Gnome Shell over Unity. Shell will be the core experience in Fedora, so I expect it to get better treatment than it would in Ubuntu. Also, I really don’t want Ubuntu to install Unity and related packages on my computer every time I update the OS. Nor do I need Qt.

      Is there a reason not to switch distros? Why do you find it so bad to switch?

    • Anonymous

      The thing is, the difference between distros is really small, especially when so many distributions are based on Debian/Ubuntu. When you can make Debian work and look like Ubuntu, Ubuntu like elementary OS or Linux Mint, it’s the out-of-the-box experience that counts.

      I myself plan to switch to Fedora, mainly because I prefer Gnome Shell over Unity. Shell will be the core experience in Fedora, so I expect it to get better treatment than it would in Ubuntu. Also, I really don’t want Ubuntu to install Unity and related packages on my computer every time I update the OS. Nor do I need Qt.

      Is there a reason not to switch distros? Why do you find it so bad to switch?

    • http://gudulin.ru Alexandr

      Полностью согласен :) Люди также могут вообще от Ubuntu отказаться и поставить фряху. Или на Windows перейти, чего там.

      Интересно, на что я рассчитывал, начав писать по-русски? Хотя наверняка здесь много наших тусуется. А если нет, то круто, что никто меня не понял :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/bartosz.zasieczny Bartosz Zasieczny

        Мне кажется, что некоторые поняли ;) Но Unity оказалось в каждом примере лучше. GNOME Shell только лучше выглядит на фотках.
        Извини, что мой русский имеет несколько ашибок :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/bartosz.zasieczny Bartosz Zasieczny

        Мне кажется, что некоторые поняли ;) Но Unity оказалось в каждом примере лучше. GNOME Shell только лучше выглядит на фотках.
        Извини, что мой русский имеет несколько ашибок :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/bartosz.zasieczny Bartosz Zasieczny

        Мне кажется, что некоторые поняли ;) Но Unity оказалось в каждом примере лучше. GNOME Shell только лучше выглядит на фотках.
        Извини, что мой русский имеет несколько ашибок :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/bartosz.zasieczny Bartosz Zasieczny

        Мне кажется, что некоторые поняли ;) Но Unity оказалось в каждом примере лучше. GNOME Shell только лучше выглядит на фотках.
        Извини, что мой русский имеет несколько ашибок :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/bartosz.zasieczny Bartosz Zasieczny

        Мне кажется, что некоторые поняли ;) Но Unity оказалось в каждом примере лучше. GNOME Shell только лучше выглядит на фотках.
        Извини, что мой русский имеет несколько ашибок :)

      • AJ

        Sorry, I only speak English fluenty :’/

        • Anonymous

          Google Translate spans the language barrier quite nicely :)

          • AJ

            I’d like to trust it, but I know it can’t be perfect.

            I don’t know a word of (what I am assuming is Russian) from the character set;

            My girlfriend speaks Cantonese and the word for music is practically the same as the word for happiness.. Google Translate ain’t got nothin’ on real world linguistics.

            I don’t want to tell a Russian guy to set his spoons on fire or something to that effect accidentally :(

          • Anonymous

            haha this is very true

          • https://launchpad.net/~isantop Ian

            I find that trusting Google Translate is okay, as long as you do a sort of “Second translation”

            For Example, word for word out of Google Translate:
            Totally agree:) People also can do on Ubuntu and refuse to put fryahu. Or go to Windows, then there.

            I wonder what I had expected, began to write in Russian? While certainly there are a lot of our hanging out. And if not, what’s cool that nobody did not understand me:)

            Re “translated” to make sense in english roughly gives me:
            Totally Agree:) People can also use Ubuntu and refuse to use Unity (??). Or, they can switch to Windows. So there!

            I wonder why I typed this in Russian? There certainly aren’t a lot of us hanging around here. And if not, it’s cool the nobody can understand me:)

            Now this is a rough process, but I’m fairly confident that it came back okay. GT gives you an idea of the meaning, it’s your job to make sense of it.

            (Part of the issue has to do with cases and Russian Grammar. German has similar issues. Try translating a spanish page to english. You’d be surprised how accurate it is there!)

        • Oleg Kitain

          Translated by a Native Russian:
          Totally agree:) People can also ditch Ubuntu and install FreeBSD. Or Windows, if so.

          Interesting, what was I relying on when I started writing in Russian? However, there are many of ours hanging out here. And if not, then it’s kinda cool that nobody understood me. :)

      • AJ

        Sorry, I only speak English fluenty :’/

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/L7L7TGYKNBABWM3N7ELVBTLV3E Virgil

        прохладная история братан

        • Anonymous

          Что это значит? Я даже не …

          • Glaasje

            Посмотри на меня!
            Я могу говорить по-японски!
            すごい! :P

    • http://gudulin.ru Alexandr

      Полностью согласен :) Люди также могут вообще от Ubuntu отказаться и поставить фряху. Или на Windows перейти, чего там.

      Интересно, на что я рассчитывал, начав писать по-русски? Хотя наверняка здесь много наших тусуется. А если нет, то круто, что никто меня не понял :)

    • http://twitter.com/chuche17 Jesus Galvan

      Death to conventional thinking!

    • http://twitter.com/chuche17 Jesus Galvan

      Death to conventional thinking!

    • Anonymous

      Yeah well it’s not like it’s being removed from the repositories or that you wouldn’t be able to add them back later. Might be more of an inconvenience for people who will use it, but it’s still there. Couldn’t care less of the preloaded or defaults because everything is there for the customization.

      Depending on how I like Unity, I might fall back to it. Might not.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah well it’s not like it’s being removed from the repositories or that you wouldn’t be able to add them back later. Might be more of an inconvenience for people who will use it, but it’s still there. Couldn’t care less of the preloaded or defaults because everything is there for the customization.

      Depending on how I like Unity, I might fall back to it. Might not.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KFF2PURLMSEKI3ALERT2PGJHTY NathanS

      If you think the software you package with an OS doesn’t matter, ask M$FT how much is cost them to establish that in court vs. Netscape. When you ship an out-of-the-box distro, it matters what’s in the box.

      Ubuntu aims to be “Linux for Noobs”, or says it does. Canonical is really “Linux for Desktop OEMs” but that’s only sort-of relevant. Ubuntu is supposed to work out-of-the-box. Most people installing it haven’t seen a command line since the ’90s, if ever. They don’t know anything about packages or repos or tarballs or the reason behind /usr/whatever and /home. They’re probably dual-booting.

      IOW, you can’t assume they know much.

      But does the install say “yo dawg I maked you a free OS but it ain’t got no proprietaries?” No. It just asks you what language, how to partition and what time zone and machine/user name to install. Noob users loads up YouTube and… nothing. Worse, Noobie logs in and… his wireless card isn’t supported by the kernel’s open-source drivers.

      Or worst of all, a non-noob user upgrades from 9.10 to 10.04 only to learn that the new bootloader conflicts with his graphics chip and hangs the system. Did Update Manager tell him? No. Does launchpad have a decent solution? Maybe, too bad he can’t get to Launchpad.

      Every single one of those things can be a make-or-break thing for the OS. Guess what? You boot into Vista or OSX and you don’t have those problems anymore.

      So when an Ubuntu-based distro like Mint makes packages that probably 95% of users expect to have by default, but don’t get in Ubuntu *and don’t even know they need*, it’s a dramatic improvement.

      So, yes, switching distros is perfectly reasonable. It makes even more sense when the distro you use has a core team that has internal philosophical conflicts (for Canonical, between getting $$$ from OEMs, making users happy and spreading FOSS as a desktop philosophy) that impact basic user experience, yeah, switching distros makes sense

      That said, I can only blame Canonical so much. Your average netbook has more power than the Dell in my basement connected to my DSL right now. With so much hardware power available that I can run LXDE on a freaking cell phone, I’m sure I’d get dizzy writing code and trying to figure out what to write code for.

      • AJ

        The same difference in out of the box core usability can be drawn in the comparison between Fedora and Ubuntu, but that is entirely down to FOSS ethics isn’t it..?

        I don’t disagree with you. You have clearly had some negative experiences with Ubuntu. Using myself as an example, the last four releases of Ubuntu have given me full out-of-the-box compatibility. I don’t mean the odd fault; I mean full compatibility. You say your hardware is sub par, so I can see your point.

        The situation that You find yourself in, for example, might demand a switch of environment to LDXE, or an entirely lightweight distro.. Or more command line.

        You might make a switch for the sake of logic; but in the comment you replied to, I was commenting on a social climate rather than a logical one – The way in which people will not follow through with a simple install of something like flash, which is a very streamlines process (e.g. 11.04′s easy dialogue).

        One thing that you seem to have missed is the restricted extras package which is one radiobox user-click away from install out of the box – Mint may have it by default, but the only reason it is not the case in Ubuntu is because it was near-unanimously voted out as an auto-filled checkbox by the UX team – purely ethics. I do not believe this is in the way of usability, it clearly asks at the least tech savvy level “Would you like to play mp3 tracks”, and requires even the most hamfisted user to be able to read one sentence.

    • Sorin Nemes Ioan

      the problem of melodrama is that we was supporters of Ubuntu – we want Ubuntu to succeed  - now just we assist the the fail.

      Here is melodrama – not for us – you say it ..we can choose anything it’s true. 

      We just cry for Ubuntu, not for us don’t presume wrong things man. 

      All in all maybe is all lost – probably this will continue to do the core and some others – like Elementary Project, true focused on usability will do the UI. 

      Probably this way whey will succeed again.  

    • Secure Loans LLC

      The problem is exactly the same as what is wrong with Windows.  Is there anyone what will say that Vista was actually a move forward?  Gnome has basically gotten in the way of getting done what I need to do.  So yes, I can install another desktop manager and unfortunately I am left with the choice of moving away from Unbuntu do to this decision, or spend just as much time trying the other desktop managers out there.  Essentially a loose/loose situation for anyone that does not like the concepts and slowness that Gnome 2 (not classic) bring to the table.

      Taking away the ability to choose between new and classic gnome is not a good idea. Too many MAC like, get in your way issues. I hate the concept of a single menu bar shared by all applications. When do we mode to the single button mouse?

  • AJ

    What is the problem..? You can install whatever environment you want if you don’t like the default.

    People are so melodramatic. Canonical are trying to create a more coherent desktop experience, but if you don’t like it – just change it rather than switching distros.

    That is just as bad as switching to Mint because you don’t have to install flash out of the box -_-

  • http://www.facebook.com/sergiu.negara Sergiu Nes Negara

    @Yannick: I’m already getting used tu arch on my second desktop :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/sergiu.negara Sergiu Nes Negara

    @Yannick: I’m already getting used tu arch on my second desktop :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/gyula.pataki Gyula Pataki

    Aren’t Gnome3 gonna kill the classic gnome desktop too?

    • Anonymous

      yeah!……………with gnome shell

    • Bilal Akhtar

      Well, yeah, but not completely.

      Users with graphic cards which don’t support Mutter will be given a ‘GNOME Shell fallback’ version of gnome-panel which looks and behaves a bit like GNOME Shell. I myself don’t know much about this.

      • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

        no it will have a classic desktop as a fallback which will look like gnome2 but will be gnome3 without the shell.

        • Anonymous

          I want that … :D hope i can chose between that and shell even if my hardware is capable.

          • Anonymous

            It’s ugly bro, it’ll fallback to old gnome 2 style but on top of gnome 3, not original gnome 2.

          • Anonymous

            What is ugly ? I really like the panels , i dislike the shell because there are way to many moving parts … i’m quite confused now as i don’t really know which way i will go … But i prefer the panels over unity or the shell.

          • http://twitter.com/christianjager Christian Jäger

            Yes, you can easily configure it to use the fallback-mode in your account settings.

          • http://twitter.com/christianjager Christian Jäger

            Yes, you can easily configure it to use the fallback-mode in your account settings.

        • Anonymous

          I want that … :D hope i can chose between that and shell even if my hardware is capable.

      • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

        no it will have a classic desktop as a fallback which will look like gnome2 but will be gnome3 without the shell.

    • Anonymous

      That doesnt mean classic shouldnt be an option, its still a very nice desktop environment.

      • http://twitter.com/humphreybc Benjamin Humphrey

        That’s like giving Windows 7 users the option to still use Windows ME.

        • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

          lol! awesome

        • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

          lol! awesome

        • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

          no it isn’t. Windows 7 still has the option to use the Windows Classic Theme

          • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

            OMG!!Really it is just different theme compared to aero .

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          At least ME was way faster and needed only 32MB of RAM.

          • Anonymous

            and a security nightmare as well

        • Anonymous

          Yeah but its a nice option for the people who decide that Unity just isnt for them

        • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

          nope no its not, unity and gnome shell are far to much of a hassle to use, you have to click around like 15 times to get to the program you want to use, where as in the classic you click the menu, the sub menu then the program, it is indisputable that the old way is by far better

          • Craig Barnes

            You can just keep the programs you use most often on the launcher. There you go, I just saved you 14 clicks! There’s no need to thank me – it’s fine.

            For everything else obscure, like the horribly overcrowded preferences menu, you can just launch the dash, type the first 3-4 letters and hit enter. To me, that is way better than scanning an endless submenu for what you are looking for, especially if you’re using a netbook, which causes said menu to scroll off-screen.

          • http://3p.mine.nu Phil D.

            “just launch the dash, type the first 3-4 letters and hit enter”
            IF you know what you are looking for – put a ‘noob’ in front of this and he is lost.

            Not to recommend right now.

        • Anonymous

          I know you’re a fanboy with a lot invested in Ubuntu, but strewth that really is daft…

        • http://twitter.com/dubnukem dubnukem

          funny thing: you can. It’s called ‘classic style’. Disables all the aero stuff, and makes it feel like windows 2000 again.

        • http://twitter.com/dubnukem dubnukem

          funny thing: you can. It’s called ‘classic style’. Disables all the aero stuff, and makes it feel like windows 2000 again.

    • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

      gnome3 has gnome shell as default if the hardware is capable enough (3d) and it falls back to the 2-panel (not gnome 2.32) if it is 2d which makes it a huge difference in user experience depending on the hardware whereas since 11.10 if the hardware is not capable then it will fall to unity-2d which make it a lot more coherent and unifying .

    • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

      gnome3 has gnome shell as default if the hardware is capable enough (3d) and it falls back to the 2-panel (not gnome 2.32) if it is 2d which makes it a huge difference in user experience depending on the hardware whereas since 11.10 if the hardware is not capable then it will fall to unity-2d which make it a lot more coherent and unifying .

  • http://www.facebook.com/gyula.pataki Gyula Pataki

    Aren’t Gnome3 gonna kill the classic gnome desktop too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001519521076 Lukas Levickas

    Not everybody is Yannick Verbinnen, remember that.
    I mean w*f people?! Some of you make such a king from yourselves. Nor Canonical, nor any of your neighbour cares about your opinion what you prefer and what icon theme you use…
    Your “I” isnt that capital (letter) in the internet, you know…

    • Anonymous

      Succinctly put: “Nor Canonical, … cares about your opinion” — that does rather seem to be the problem, doesn’t it?

      • http://www.manishsinha.net Manish Sinha

        Yes. They cannot satisfy everyone. Actually you cannot satisfy a “vocal minority” because everyone in that group has vastly different tastes and if you do as per one person’s taste, the others will scream till death.

        I stopped being in that vocal minority since long. It was all screaming and no productivity for me.

        • Anonymous

          oh, I totally get that: you gave up, ‘cos no-one listened. I’ll do the same, of course, it’s only natural. you can only voice dissatisfaction unheeded for so long before it starts to get frustrating. luckily, as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are other places to go, so it’s not a huge problem.

  • Anonymous

    I love you mimimi people..

    Changing subject, will 11.10 use Wayland?

    • http://twitter.com/d2kx Dennis MH

      No. Ubuntu won’t use it before 12.10.

      • Anonymous

        To add more to that answer, its not really ready for the big stage yet but it is coming along nicely. Its not getting in because it wont be ready before the next LTS. So the wayland introduction will be after that to make sure its perfect for the LTS after. Im excited about wayland too though :)

    • Bilal Akhtar

      The official aim for Wayland is 12.04 LTS, but they sure would be beginning the transition work after 11.04 itself.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think they’ll add Wayland to a LTS in only one year :)

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think they’ll add Wayland to a LTS in only one year :)

        • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

          Probably not, but it has been in development since 2008, so there’s a chance! :)

        • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

          Probably not, but it has been in development since 2008, so there’s a chance! :)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

            Fedora made mistakes, they paid for it. It’s Ubuntu’s round now. No distro is perfect, I just hope Ubby has the ability to lift up after it gets knocked down by the entire user base. Time will tell. And OMG!Ubuntu too.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

      I think that for 11.10 they’ll just focus on improving the user experience of 11.04, and Unity in particular.

      I also don’t think that they’ll ship Wayland in 12.04, since it’s going to be an LTS release. We might see the first release of Wayland in Ubuntu 12.10.

      At least, those are my predictions :P

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

      I think that for 11.10 they’ll just focus on improving the user experience of 11.04, and Unity in particular.

      I also don’t think that they’ll ship Wayland in 12.04, since it’s going to be an LTS release. We might see the first release of Wayland in Ubuntu 12.10.

      At least, those are my predictions :P

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

      I think that for 11.10 they’ll just focus on improving the user experience of 11.04, and Unity in particular.

      I also don’t think that they’ll ship Wayland in 12.04, since it’s going to be an LTS release. We might see the first release of Wayland in Ubuntu 12.10.

      At least, those are my predictions :P

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YATP2IRIAY3Z5F5IJATPVDD3E Juan

      I think that for 11.10 they’ll just focus on improving the user experience of 11.04, and Unity in particular.

      I also don’t think that they’ll ship Wayland in 12.04, since it’s going to be an LTS release. We might see the first release of Wayland in Ubuntu 12.10.

      At least, those are my predictions :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001519521076 Lukas Levickas

    OMFG like there are no options in the open-source world… :D Cop on guys

  • http://adnan.quaium.com Adnan Quaium

    Why people are moaning? It is not the end of the world. You can still install gnome shell. If you don’t like Unity switch to KDE, it is about choice. To be frankly, by seeing where and how Unity is headed, I don’t feel the necessity of Gnome shell in Ubuntu! Wait and see the full bloomed Unity in 12.04 (I’ll stay in 10.04 and wait for 12.04 anyway).

    • Anonymous

      ‘To be frankly, by seeing where and how Unity is headed, I don’t feel the necessity of Gnome shell in Ubuntu!’

      Do you mean that they are so similar that theres no real difference then surely the correct thing would be that the development of Unity is pointless.

      The fact that in their press release on the delay Gnome call for design input from ‘other shell designers’. I think they are ready for a deeper Canonical involvement.

      I wish OMGUbuntu would start a pressure push for conciliatory moves between these two bodies. Editorials. Email campaigns whatever. They are too similar to logically continue different development paths and the waste of resources that involves.

      Duplication of effort people!

      • http://twitter.com/christianjager Christian Jäger

        The ‘delay’ was an April-fool’s joke that OMGUbuntu didn’t get…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      We’re moaning because we are a community that uses Linux, no matter what distro. We’re moaning because the DIRTY LAUNDRY should be handled in ways like this. People should moan, when they’re upset. Otherwise, doctors would be out of their jobs.

  • Anonymous

    no problem, if they want to use unity, i do use debian. i stay at 10.04/10.10 so far.

    The only thing i really want to know is: how do they step from 10.04 to 12.04 with that unity crap?

    • http://twitter.com/Sephiroth_VII NCLI

      Gnome 2 and 3 are both in the repo. Also, fortunately, Unity is not crap.

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        lmao yeaahhhhhh…unity ISN”T crap..very funny XD

        • Anonymous

          Ha Funny Bro…..

        • Anonymous

          A mature and useful debate point on the merits of modern simplified shells as compared to the ancient clunky but well developed classical feel of Gnome two.

          Well done sir you are a credit to the Linux community and its development in these confusing times.

        • Anonymous

          A mature and useful debate point on the merits of modern simplified shells as compared to the ancient clunky but well developed classical feel of Gnome two.

          Well done sir you are a credit to the Linux community and its development in these confusing times.

          • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

            Unity and Gnome shell are NOT simplified, Gnome two was as simple as it could get, They are destroying what I and many others loved about linux…its ease of use, they are sacrificing ease of use to make there system look “cool”. and dude stop being an egotistical jerk, i was trying to be “funny”

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        lmao yeaahhhhhh…unity ISN”T crap..very funny XD

  • Anonymous

    ubuntu classic is still available you dont have to stay onthe older versions

  • Anonymous

    bye

  • http://www.facebook.com/onedudewolfpack Klaus Borges

    That doesn’t make any sense. Why kill a harmless interface option? I’m using it right now since I can’t really stand Unity on its early stages. I don’t really see Canonical making it pitch perfect by Oneiric.

  • http://www.facebook.com/onedudewolfpack Klaus Borges

    That doesn’t make any sense. Why kill a harmless interface option? I’m using it right now since I can’t really stand Unity on its early stages. I don’t really see Canonical making it pitch perfect by Oneiric.

    • http://twitter.com/Sephiroth_VII NCLI

      Because it takes up space, and because they want Unity to be the default, to have as many people as possible test it and give feedback. You not testing Unity means that your concerns are not very likely to be addressed.

      There are only two reasons why Gnome 2.XX is on the cd in 11.04:

      1. Unity 2D is unstable.
      2. Both Unity 2D and 3D lack accessibility options.

      • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

        the reason is qt libraries(which unity2d uses) are not included in hte default install but will be included in 11.10 .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_43QWMHEO2T24W5ONPMHAADTMOY alex

    1. Develop unity
    2. Get rid of gnome
    3. ????
    4. Profit!
    lol

    • http://ghogaru.tumblr.com ghogaru

      lulz

    • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

      ain’t unity a shell for gnome?

  • lunamystry

    a couple of questions:
    How difficult is it to write a compiz plugin?
    How long would it take to write a windows manager which continuosly tiles the windows to a chosen layout?
    Is there anyone here who has Unity-2D working with xmonad?

  • Anonymous

    (not bragging) but I called this as soon as the announcement about Qt on the disk happened. It was very very very very obvious the reasons why they said that. Unity 2D is made with Qt so the intro of Qt to the disk brings Unity 2D to the disk.

    Oh and a blanket comment for all the people who say they are going to switch because of this announcement or any other announcement about anything else removed from the Ubuntu disk from now on. “Just because its removed from the disk doesn’t mean its going to get removed from the archive, unless something is defective they keep it in for as long as they can”. So you can still safely apt-get install Ubuntu classic and use it if you want.

    But I cant see why anyone would fall back to Ubuntu classic because Unity is stable as hell now and pretty easy once you stop that mind block about new things that people seem to have.

  • Anonymous

    (not bragging) but I called this as soon as the announcement about Qt on the disk happened. It was very very very very obvious the reasons why they said that. Unity 2D is made with Qt so the intro of Qt to the disk brings Unity 2D to the disk.

    Oh and a blanket comment for all the people who say they are going to switch because of this announcement or any other announcement about anything else removed from the Ubuntu disk from now on. “Just because its removed from the disk doesn’t mean its going to get removed from the archive, unless something is defective they keep it in for as long as they can”. So you can still safely apt-get install Ubuntu classic and use it if you want.

    But I cant see why anyone would fall back to Ubuntu classic because Unity is stable as hell now and pretty easy once you stop that mind block about new things that people seem to have.

  • Anonymous

    (not bragging) but I called this as soon as the announcement about Qt on the disk happened. It was very very very very obvious the reasons why they said that. Unity 2D is made with Qt so the intro of Qt to the disk brings Unity 2D to the disk.

    Oh and a blanket comment for all the people who say they are going to switch because of this announcement or any other announcement about anything else removed from the Ubuntu disk from now on. “Just because its removed from the disk doesn’t mean its going to get removed from the archive, unless something is defective they keep it in for as long as they can”. So you can still safely apt-get install Ubuntu classic and use it if you want.

    But I cant see why anyone would fall back to Ubuntu classic because Unity is stable as hell now and pretty easy once you stop that mind block about new things that people seem to have.

  • http://twitter.com/Sephiroth_VII NCLI

    When Gnome 2.XX is no longer maintained by anyone, Arch users will have to switch too.

    Just like KDE 3 and Gnome 1.XX, Gnome 2.XX is going to disappear.

    • https://profiles.google.com/106796336039234958622 hoho

      KDE 3 isn’t exactly going anywhere, there’s the Trinity project which keeps it “up to date”. They for example have created TQt, an abstraction layer for Qt4 which makes it possible to run KDE3 apps on top of it and plan to port applications from KHTML to WebKit and such. It will became a project lot alike XFCE, a one that stays the same while rest of the world moves or something.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      GNOME Shell is just a part of GNOME 3. You can setup the old layout in GNOME 3. There’s also XFCE and KDE. I’m sure some clever folks will come up with something. The Shell kinda sucks badly, but I find more usable than Unity.

  • http://slimshady91.myopenid.com/ Tarek

    What a Brave decision!, also a great move, Classic desktops are now just lame and old. We need something new and creative, Go On Ubuntu ! Live long linux!

    • Anonymous

      … I hate to use an ad hominem, but for the sake of this topic, are you an idiot? Have you ever heard the old expression, “If it’s not broken, don’t fix it”? What you’re saying is “Despite the fact that this software is new, seems to break a lot, and isn’t very functional, let’s use it to replace a perfectly good system that has been working for years.”
      No. Let’s not do this, an instead, allow users to “opt-in” to this new beta interface, instead of forcing it down users thoughts.

      inb4 If you don’t like it, change it.

      • http://twitter.com/holyjihadbatman Callum Saunders

        for this release you do have an option, its not being forced down anyones throats.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4LXTMAC7KVMD7JBKWBCCBU4HSU inner_turbulence

          it is. you only have the choice, after you try it. gnome-panel should be default as unity has not yet matured to the phase it deserves, if not it will be bad for unity’s reputation.

          • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

            But only the tech-savvy people will even try unity then. If there isn’t enough general usage, there won’t be enough feedback, bug-reporting, or suggestions for development.
            Set it as default, tell the user how to switch back if they really don’t get on with it.
            Perhaps even ask them report why they didn’t like it. Get a true user’s opinion.

          • http://twitter.com/briketaro briketa.ro

            it’s funy because tech savy people are the one submiting bug reports (english is stupid)

          • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

            @briketa.ro Bug reports from tech-savvy users don’t fix ‘normal’ people’s usability issues

          • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

            @briketa.ro Bug reports from tech-savvy users don’t fix ‘normal’ people’s usability issues

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001839601469 Nathan Moos

            This is a great idea, and should be part of 11.10 (it won’t make it into 11.04)

      • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

        that expression just like the 2 panel look has become old and obsolete and is used to much out of context.

        how about “If it can be bettered ,why not better it?”

      • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

        that expression just like the 2 panel look has become old and obsolete and is used to much out of context.

        how about “If it can be bettered ,why not better it?”

      • http://alaukik.myopenid.com/ Alaukik

        that expression just like the 2 panel look has become old and obsolete and is used to much out of context.

        how about “If it can be bettered ,why not better it?”

      • Anonymous

        That phrase was invented by cowards to promote their luddite nature.

        Paper and pen ain’t broke but it doesn’t mean there isn’t a better way!

        And wouldn’t it make more sense to default to the basic user interface and let the power users change it rather than default to the power users interface and let the noobs change it?

    • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

      sounds like change for change sake.

      • http://twitter.com/AndyGait Andy Gait

        One of my issues with Ubuntu – change because they can, not because they should.

      • http://twitter.com/AndyGait Andy Gait

        One of my issues with Ubuntu – change because they can, not because they should.

        • http://twitter.com/briketaro briketa.ro

          ignoring bugs, adding features

      • http://twitter.com/AndyGait Andy Gait

        One of my issues with Ubuntu – change because they can, not because they should.

    • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

      sounds like change for change sake.

    • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

      sounds like change for change sake.

    • http://twitter.com/explodingwalrus Carl Draper

      sounds like change for change sake.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C6S22ANL35LHAH27EX43XFQKTQ Klau3

    It would be a shock if they did not :)

  • Anonymous

    I’m using Unity as my DE-of-choice on both laptop (Intel powered) and desktop (Nvidia powered) and I’m very much pleased with it. It’s coherent, stable, frees up screen real estate and keeps it simple.

    I would actually go as far as saying “I love Unity” because it brings to the fore what the GNU/Linux desktop has been missing: A really good DE.

    If I am to put my finger on things that need fixing it’s the long response time for the Dash and lenses, not using nautilus elementary, a bit too difficult handling multiple windows in a program and the “available for download” section is completely random. There should be some sort of council to promote the good apps, and perhaps Zeitgeist integration to offer programs of relevance to the user, i.e. if I work a lot with photos, I should be offered photo/media-related software, not tools for programming java and an old sucky game of some sort.

    Anyways, those are small details. The Unity desktop as a whole is great and stays out of my way, which is just the way I like it. Actually, for the first time ever on GNU/Linux I don’t feel the need to mod anything..

    • Anonymous

      Well, even if you felt the need to mod Unity you couldn’t, right? =X

      Noo, I kid! I have no qualms with Unity, never even tried it! I’m just trolling a bit because the duality of reactions to all things Unity is quite amazing ;)

    • Anonymous

      Well, even if you felt the need to mod Unity you couldn’t, right? =X

      Noo, I kid! I have no qualms with Unity, never even tried it! I’m just trolling a bit because the duality of reactions to all things Unity is quite amazing ;)

    • Anonymous

      Well, even if you felt the need to mod Unity you couldn’t, right? =X

      Noo, I kid! I have no qualms with Unity, never even tried it! I’m just trolling a bit because the duality of reactions to all things Unity is quite amazing ;)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      I just hope you don’t get a fist lesion after some days. Good luck with this modern DE.

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been using it since Alpha 2 and really don’t have anything negative to say about it..

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been using it since Alpha 2 and really don’t have anything negative to say about it..

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been using it since Alpha 2 and really don’t have anything negative to say about it..

      • Anonymous

        “a fist lesion”?
        Sounds painful.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001839601469 Nathan Moos

      Those ideas would be really great! You should consider submitting feature requests for them.

  • Anonymous

    1- i’m sure that a lot of people saying they don’t want unity, never actually tried it before.
    2- the normal gnome (panel) interface will disappear anyway being replaced by gnome shell or gnome 3. that’s cause it’s slow and old.
    3- you can still install whatever you want.
    4- and please don’t post somthing like… ” that’s it i’m switching “… it looks ridiculous and sounds like a threat. choose whatever you want… but without threatening.
    peace

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ON6CS3UJOSXBQ7RM3LUWAERN2A d4rk_l1gh7

      I haven’t tried it, but it sure does look interesting. No lies. I’m actually gonna upgrade to 11.04.

      And because of Unity, Ubuntu is becoming more different and eye catching than other OSs. That’s what i’m seeing.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with everything you said, except for the “that’s cause it’s slow and old” part.

      Programmers are known to occasionally want to rewrite everything from scratch, regardless of actual merit. The GNOME developers are rewriting it because they want to do that, not because it’s slow or old. (I’m not criticizing them, they have the right to do whatever they want with their software.)

      That being said, I haven’t tried Unity or Shell yet. I’ll use Unity when I upgrade to Natty, if it annoys me, I’ll just try something else.

      • Anonymous

        actually they are re-writing from scratch things like the layout (and other stuff), because they will now use CSS and other technologies.

        Also the code is easier to maintain.

        the same is happening for wayland over X.org , because the code is so bloated that is easier or better to start from 0

      • Anonymous

        actually they are re-writing from scratch things like the layout (and other stuff), because they will now use CSS and other technologies.

        Also the code is easier to maintain.

        the same is happening for wayland over X.org , because the code is so bloated that is easier or better to start from 0

        • http://twitter.com/Emacs232 Denis Cheremisov

          > Also the code is easier to maintain.
          You have no idea what are you talking about. May be GTK3 became more powerful, but it’s API being horrible before appeared to be even more ugly.

      • Anonymous

        actually they are re-writing from scratch things like the layout (and other stuff), because they will now use CSS and other technologies.

        Also the code is easier to maintain.

        the same is happening for wayland over X.org , because the code is so bloated that is easier or better to start from 0

      • Anonymous

        actually they are re-writing from scratch things like the layout (and other stuff), because they will now use CSS and other technologies.

        Also the code is easier to maintain.

        the same is happening for wayland over X.org , because the code is so bloated that is easier or better to start from 0

      • Anonymous

        Its not that they want to rewrite, because if it was that every programmer was rewriting everyday any component of the linux kernel… and they aren’t doing that.

        Its more about the tecnologies and the improvements and new methodologies and paradigmas that are actually appearing everyday.

        Sometimes the components with we are working today are too old and they aren’t prepared to work with new hardware schemes for example…

        You can’t expect that a 5 years old (I can’t precise the age) gnome desktop is prepared to work with new hardware implementation. So, they just pondered the maintain of the code or the rewrite, and they have concluded that the best is to rewrite the code….

        I think its simply enought! :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      1 – No, I tried Unity. More than twice. Three or four different machines. I hated it because I couldn’t understand the logic behind it.

      2 – GNOME Panel will not disappear, as I already see GNOME 3 developers taking their words back by adding a secondary notifications bar on the bottom of the screen in current Shell releases. Shell may be confusing, and it is. However I don’t think it is as bad as Unity.

      3 – Whatever desktop, yes. However people need to calculate how default settings impact userbase. If you don’t care, please drop the “conquer the world” argument.

      4 – People should post when they switch, because they have to have a voice. Switching is when one is displeased with current Canonical decisions. No threat at all. How can you see as a threat, someone telling that will switch to Arch? I’m surprised that people are over-reacting by this switching thing, which is perfectly fine and natural.

      • http://twitter.com/zc456 Squeaks

        You != World.

        • Anonymous

          Applies for everybody, including you and including Shutterworth :-)

        • Anonymous

          Applies for everybody, including you and including Shutterworth :-)

      • Akshat Jain

        If someone replies to DjznBR flamebait again, I am going to ban that person.

        • Anonymous

          rofl, because I actually believe that you would!

        • Anonymous

          Why? He’s providing a good argument to the discussion. Just because it’s not “OMG Unity! *fap fap fap* doesn’t mean it’s trolling. He’s DjznBR provided a perfectly good argument which anyone should be able to support or argue against.

          I’d like to think there is some freedom of speech here, where the moderators aren’t silencing the opinions of those who disagree. Far too authoritarian.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

          I wasn’t going to switch distros, but this comment makes me think I’ll get my Ubuntu news elsewhere.

          • Akshat Jain

            Sorry, been pissed off by trolls a lot :)

      • Anonymous

        Right @yahoo-HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM:disqus removing Notification area was stupid. At least it should have been optional.

      • Anonymous

        Right @yahoo-HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM:disqus removing Notification area was stupid. At least it should have been optional.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_35C4VFILBRPONLTLCP57Y536TE Danilo

    Ah you people are funny … gnome 2.xx is old … if not Unity then gnome shell , u have choice if you don’t want to stay in 1995. What will you do when acrh or mint switch to shell or unity ? Changing distro is not solution and its pretty retarded. BTW cannonical is something best that happend to linux world and i dont think you can find better company and better and complite distro then ubuntu….

    P.S.

    Unity is great and much faster then gnome shell ….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      I guess the retarded here could be you. Check yourself again…

      • http://profiles.google.com/ata1368 Ata J

        would you have any comments if there was no word of retarded?
        any way I think unity is on the right path of evolution.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          I think he put it very wrong the desire of changing distros one of being retarded. If you live in Afeghanistan and get bombed everyday, I am sure you want to move somewhere else? Now calling that feeling something retarded is way too retarded for me. Distros are out there to make it happen, to suit needs and when something no longer suits your needs, it’s bye bye and next in line dude. And I guess that’s why some people are sick of silent Apartheid and move to London, anyways… just a rightful desire.

          • Akshat Jain

            Please keep your insults to yourself.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

            Didn’t insult anyone.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

            Didn’t insult anyone.

          • http://twitter.com/Sephiroth_VII NCLI

            “I guess the retarded here could be you. Check yourself again… ”
            That is an insult if you ask me.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

            How come you object to DjznBR’s use of the word “retarded” but failed to notice he was simply copping the word from Danilo’s comment? Is it because you agree with one opinion but not the other?

          • Akshat Jain

            @Cliff W It was to both.

      • http://profiles.google.com/ata1368 Ata J

        would you have any comments if there was no word of retarded?
        any way I think unity is on the right path of evolution.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry!? Can you explain better…?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          Explain what? It’s simple. He said that changing distros is behaviour of a retarded. I don’t think so. It’s freedom. And when people are upset enough, they change it. This is open-source. Now I *COULD* only consider that comment coming from a retarded. I’m not saying that he is one retarded person.

    • Anonymous

      EXDE, friend. By the way, all the “Switching distro’s is dumb!” and “The differences are only cosmetic, anyway” B.S. is asinine. If the differences are so superficial, what the hell sets Ubuntu apart? Unity–a fork of GNOME3 comprising a tiny pinch of eye-candy not seen on other distros (until you realize that other distros already do have Unity)? Likewise, if all distros do have real fundamental differences, then what’s the point of expecting everyone to stick with Ubuntu? Different niches exist for reasons so obvious, it would be undignified for me to bother repeating them here. Don’t spout that idiocy; if someone wants to switch to a different distro, let ‘em. It’s no one’s business but theirs, and chances are they’re doing so for more reason than a color scheme or wallpaper. By the way, one of the things that really sets Ubuntu apart from Fedora, SuSE and other popular distros is that you aren’t given the choice of interface and other options at the time of installation: you must complete the installation and then sift out all the unwanted cruft–like, say, Unity–and then replace it with what you DO want. Tedious.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001839601469 Nathan Moos

        Android is a Linux-based OS for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT niche than Ubuntu, therefore, ANOKNUSA, you are right.

      • Oleg Kitain

         Welcome to the Windows Way of doing things. Tweakers and crackers are in bundle.

    • Oleg Kitain

      Honestly, if GnomeShell and Unity are my only choices, then I’d rather stay in the good ol’ 2000s. What did taskbar do to the devs? Why are the options being cut down so rapidly? And what made you think Canonical is the best that happened to Linux?

  • http://profiles.google.com/shamatienko.yaroslav Yaroslav Shamatienko

    we have elementary OS !

    • Akshat Jain

      its also would not have GNOME.

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        it does have gnome…

        • Anonymous

          Not for long …

          • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

            at least it wont have these stupid pointless shells

          • Anonymous

            Oh boy … did you see how slingshot, plank, and wingpanel will work together? Very much like a shell.

            But then again, aren’t we all but shells of existence … so why the hate?

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        it does have gnome…

  • http://profiles.google.com/shamatienko.yaroslav Yaroslav Shamatienko

    we have elementary OS !

  • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

    Well thats it for me, i hate unity and gnome shell with burning passion of a thousand suns, they both are a massive step back in usability. Its Elementary OS from now on for me.

    • http://twitter.com/eylemkoca eylemkoca

      Wow… the hate… the ignorance…

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        So what? i really dont like unity and how does that make me ignorant?

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        So what? i really dont like unity and how does that make me ignorant?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          Guess they’re passionate in their own way, loving a dictatorship.

        • Anonymous

          Haven’t you worked it out yet? Your love for Ubuntu is supposed to be unconditional — they can do whatever they want, and you will find a way to love it. Or at least jump through a series of hoops to reverse some of the “innovations” without leaving the chosen distro. “You don’t have to leave, because you can always compile the DE from source *in* Ubuntu! So how dare you talk about using another distro?”

          • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

            Thats completly retarded, i do hope your being sarcastic. Why should I have to go through so much time and trouble installing a whole nother desktop environment, when ubuntu should just stop destroying everything that i once loved about them. no its not going to happen i hate all of the new shells coming out they ARE POINTLESS and WORTHLESS and a total eye sore.

    • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

      lol bye

    • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

      lol bye

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      Isn’t it paid or something?

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        nope you pay for the disc, you can download the iso for free

      • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

        nope you pay for the disc, you can download the iso for free

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      Isn’t it paid or something?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      Isn’t it paid or something?

  • http://twitter.com/davidshaheen93 David Shaheen

    Well thats it for me, i hate unity and gnome shell with burning passion of a thousand suns, they both are a massive step back in usability. Its Elementary OS from now on for me.

  • Rebecca MacGregor

    I didn’t like Unity first time I tried it. I didn’t like it second time I tried it. I like the traditional desktop, but I’m trying Unity again because I think I might be missing the point and therefore missing out. I’ll no doubt add Gnome when the full release is complete.

  • https://profiles.google.com/suprman2020/ Solomon

    Before you guys go on whining, at least try Unity before making threats to go to another (which I doubt many of will do anyway). I’m using it right now to give it a fair shake before I dismiss it. So far it’s not for me, but I’m not up in arms about switching distros because there’s always KDE and XFCE to fall back on.

  • https://profiles.google.com/suprman2020/ Solomon

    Before you guys go on whining, at least try Unity before making threats to go to another (which I doubt many of will do anyway). I’m using it right now to give it a fair shake before I dismiss it. So far it’s not for me, but I’m not up in arms about switching distros because there’s always KDE and XFCE to fall back on.

  • Anonymous

    It’s laughable, really. It seems that the developers are just racing to complete a project, and not actually something usable. I’m not trying to bash, Unity, or that other one, but it just seems that they are all trying to hop into the same bandwagon. Apple’s bandwagon, to be precise. They’ve really tried too hard to remove the “power user” side, and to make everything easier, but really, they’ve only solved aspects, and not the entire issue.
    Let’s go over a few things first, ok? Min/max button placement. That was a HUGE thing when Ubuntu switched the sides of those buttons. Now, granted I own a Mac, so I’m used to it, but honestly, who keeps their mouse on the left side of the screen? Mostly, I have my mouse on the left, as in, that is where it spends most of it’s time. Therefore shouldn’t those buttons be in an easier to reach place?
    Also, the want to take the “File/Edit/Help” menu bars off of the top of the window, and instead place it on the top global menu bar. What an idiot unhelpful design flaw, beginning with the Macs, now invading the Linux. It’s simple: If I have two screens, one of my windows being on the other one, do I really want to move my mouse all the way back to the first screen to click “File/Save As”? Either way, you get the point.
    And finally, those sidebars. A. Waste. Of. Space. Honestly, that’s what they are. Apple’s dock only BARELY functions as it is, but a clone? And a bad one at that? Absolutely pointless. (Oh, if anyone wants to know how I launch my apps, I use Control-Spacebar and type in the app name.)

    My final point is that we are slowly copying MacOSX, just to look like we’re ahead. We are leaving what made linux so great. We are creating ‘basic’ and ‘easy-to-use’ interfaces which pain us power users to use.
    And don’t give me any of that “change it if you like” crap. That’s like saying “We painted your car pink, but if you really want to change it, you can paint it right back.”

    • Anonymous

      Do “power users” really use the menu bars to do such simple actions as “save as” or indeed min/max windows?

      I agree multi-monitor support (in the sense of functionality) is an important issue, I’m confident it’ll be addressed/improved by 11.10 if it isn’t already.

    • Anonymous

      Do “power users” really use the menu bars to do such simple actions as “save as” or indeed min/max windows?

      I agree multi-monitor support (in the sense of functionality) is an important issue, I’m confident it’ll be addressed/improved by 11.10 if it isn’t already.

    • Anonymous

      Do “power users” really use the menu bars to do such simple actions as “save as” or indeed min/max windows?

      I agree multi-monitor support (in the sense of functionality) is an important issue, I’m confident it’ll be addressed/improved by 11.10 if it isn’t already.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

      Don’t worry friend. I agree with EVERYTHING YOU SAID. That’s my view too. Written a lot against this. But believe me, Canonical will PAY THE PRICE…

      • http://twitter.com/me4oslav Georgi Karavasilev

        I’m gonna try to make this as polite as possible:
        1) Gnome 2 will be in the repos and will be easily installable.
        2) Just because you don’t like Canonical ideas doesn’t mean nobody will like them
        2) Ubuntu is a distro which in not only “power user related” and trust me Unity looks way better than classic Gnome at stock. I have tried convincing a lot of friends of mine using Ubuntu, BUT when they seems how prehistoric Gnome 2 looks out of the box they say: “That suck, Windows 7 for life!” and now matter how hard I try to convince them that it can be customized to look and behave exactly how they want it they want a beautiful OS out of the box, not an OS that they should spend two or three hours of customization to make it look good
        4) Unity still mises some stuff in 11.04, but see it at 11.10 and 12.04, it is gonna be way better and it will have lot of customization abbilities
        5) If you still want your classic Gnome back in 11.10 it will be installable with two or three clicks, so no harm done or just switch to another distro (I see you’ve switched to Fedora)
        7) Gnome 2 panels and stuff isn’t going to last forever so eventually a lot of distros are gonna have to switch to different DE

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          Why polite? Get your hands dirty if you feel like….

          1) See answer 5.
          2) Yes, I don’t like Canonical recent directions. Doesn’t mean they have done right in the past, which they’ve certainly done. Not a matter of liking or not the company.
          3) What you don’t get is… people need to get used to something. Windows users are used to Windows, once you get that paradigm broken, and you move them to Ubuntu they are going to get used with that. But when it’s changed like overnight, I guess you just saying goodbye to the userbase you have converted from Windows.
          4) I doubt Unity is going to be better. When it is, it’s not Unity any longer.
          5) Curious you say this, as a Ubuntu user. The Classic Desktop in 11.04 is still GNOME 2. Why would you say that it “will be in the repos”, when it actually comes as default? It’s a bit silly and stupid, isn’t it? The Classic Desktop just had been modified with little hacks to make it look like global menu, and all that crap.
          6) You jumped from 5 to 7. In a Slackware way of doing things.
          7) GNOME Panels *ARE already HERE* since *FOREVER*, and I am not sure how a computer will be actually usable if something magically different comes up, like activating icons with an eye blink.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/JubJub-Favha/100001632090683 JubJub Favha

      If I gave you a FREE brand new quality car that happened to be pink, and it took you 5 minutes to paint it any color you wanted for FREE wouldn’t you take it? You could always nut-up sit down at a computer and develop your own distro if 5 or 6 clicks is too much work to get what you want.

      • Anonymous

        someone’s also offering me a free car where I can choose the colour first…

  • Anonymous

    It’s laughable, really. It seems that the developers are just racing to complete a project, and not actually something usable. I’m not trying to bash, Unity, or that other one, but it just seems that they are all trying to hop into the same bandwagon. Apple’s bandwagon, to be precise. They’ve really tried too hard to remove the “power user” side, and to make everything easier, but really, they’ve only solved aspects, and not the entire issue.
    Let’s go over a few things first, ok? Min/max button placement. That was a HUGE thing when Ubuntu switched the sides of those buttons. Now, granted I own a Mac, so I’m used to it, but honestly, who keeps their mouse on the left side of the screen? Mostly, I have my mouse on the left, as in, that is where it spends most of it’s time. Therefore shouldn’t those buttons be in an easier to reach place?
    Also, the want to take the “File/Edit/Help” menu bars off of the top of the window, and instead place it on the top global menu bar. What an idiot unhelpful design flaw, beginning with the Macs, now invading the Linux. It’s simple: If I have two screens, one of my windows being on the other one, do I really want to move my mouse all the way back to the first screen to click “File/Save As”? Either way, you get the point.
    And finally, those sidebars. A. Waste. Of. Space. Honestly, that’s what they are. Apple’s dock only BARELY functions as it is, but a clone? And a bad one at that? Absolutely pointless. (Oh, if anyone wants to know how I launch my apps, I use Control-Spacebar and type in the app name.)

    My final point is that we are slowly copying MacOSX, just to look like we’re ahead. We are leaving what made linux so great. We are creating ‘basic’ and ‘easy-to-use’ interfaces which pain us power users to use.
    And don’t give me any of that “change it if you like” crap. That’s like saying “We painted your car pink, but if you really want to change it, you can paint it right back.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1727158131 Philip Truax

    you know watching this debate is disheartening. the reason people are upset is because we as a community are forcing a choice on our users. yes it’s easy to go back or use something like awn, lxpanel or a myriad of other options, but in doing so it will most likely leave dependencies unused and there isn’t a real intuitive janitor program in ubuntu, and janitor tends to delete programs you still need. for those of us who dislike Unity, please stop saying you “know we haven’t tried it” I know it’s not complete and that there will be improvements, but there are things that are hard coded into the program I know I do not like. There’s a reason so many home users go back to XP, familiarity is comfortable. Not everyone wants a frenetic desktop in a state of near fluidity and let’s face it the jump to Unity from panel isn’t exactly a subtle one. I am positive there’s going to be a conversion somewhere along the line to have the good stuff from unity while removing what seem to be the major gripe of those that don’t want it.

    For those of you who don’t like unity, there are options. If you’re into minimalism, Arch is one way, but don’t forget Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Bodhi and a myriad others that maintain what is best about Ubuntu. Ubuntu has a lot to offer and in many cases more than many other distros.

    For everyone, I know it’s hard but let’s please act like the community that we can be. A lot of people have put countless hours of work into getting us where we are. While I see the divisiveness and size of the debate as a good sign towards the growth and viability of Linux, it could easily detract from those looking to join our community. Every one of us is an ambassador, we may disagree at time, many times heatedly so. But respect is a tenet that is at the very foundation of what Ubuntu is supposed to mean. Whatever you choose to do please be constructive and mindful that even though you can’t see them, there is a living breathing person behind every computer screen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1727158131 Philip Truax

    you know watching this debate is disheartening. the reason people are upset is because we as a community are forcing a choice on our users. yes it’s easy to go back or use something like awn, lxpanel or a myriad of other options, but in doing so it will most likely leave dependencies unused and there isn’t a real intuitive janitor program in ubuntu, and janitor tends to delete programs you still need. for those of us who dislike Unity, please stop saying you “know we haven’t tried it” I know it’s not complete and that there will be improvements, but there are things that are hard coded into the program I know I do not like. There’s a reason so many home users go back to XP, familiarity is comfortable. Not everyone wants a frenetic desktop in a state of near fluidity and let’s face it the jump to Unity from panel isn’t exactly a subtle one. I am positive there’s going to be a conversion somewhere along the line to have the good stuff from unity while removing what seem to be the major gripe of those that don’t want it.

    For those of you who don’t like unity, there are options. If you’re into minimalism, Arch is one way, but don’t forget Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Bodhi and a myriad others that maintain what is best about Ubuntu. Ubuntu has a lot to offer and in many cases more than many other distros.

    For everyone, I know it’s hard but let’s please act like the community that we can be. A lot of people have put countless hours of work into getting us where we are. While I see the divisiveness and size of the debate as a good sign towards the growth and viability of Linux, it could easily detract from those looking to join our community. Every one of us is an ambassador, we may disagree at time, many times heatedly so. But respect is a tenet that is at the very foundation of what Ubuntu is supposed to mean. Whatever you choose to do please be constructive and mindful that even though you can’t see them, there is a living breathing person behind every computer screen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1727158131 Philip Truax

    you know watching this debate is disheartening. the reason people are upset is because we as a community are forcing a choice on our users. yes it’s easy to go back or use something like awn, lxpanel or a myriad of other options, but in doing so it will most likely leave dependencies unused and there isn’t a real intuitive janitor program in ubuntu, and janitor tends to delete programs you still need. for those of us who dislike Unity, please stop saying you “know we haven’t tried it” I know it’s not complete and that there will be improvements, but there are things that are hard coded into the program I know I do not like. There’s a reason so many home users go back to XP, familiarity is comfortable. Not everyone wants a frenetic desktop in a state of near fluidity and let’s face it the jump to Unity from panel isn’t exactly a subtle one. I am positive there’s going to be a conversion somewhere along the line to have the good stuff from unity while removing what seem to be the major gripe of those that don’t want it.

    For those of you who don’t like unity, there are options. If you’re into minimalism, Arch is one way, but don’t forget Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Bodhi and a myriad others that maintain what is best about Ubuntu. Ubuntu has a lot to offer and in many cases more than many other distros.

    For everyone, I know it’s hard but let’s please act like the community that we can be. A lot of people have put countless hours of work into getting us where we are. While I see the divisiveness and size of the debate as a good sign towards the growth and viability of Linux, it could easily detract from those looking to join our community. Every one of us is an ambassador, we may disagree at time, many times heatedly so. But respect is a tenet that is at the very foundation of what Ubuntu is supposed to mean. Whatever you choose to do please be constructive and mindful that even though you can’t see them, there is a living breathing person behind every computer screen.

  • http://twitter.com/freezeeedos freezeeedos

    Interesting choice. At first, I didn’t believe that much in Unity, but it seems to be more mature, now.. Wait and see.

  • Anonymous

    looks like I will be switching to Fedora

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

    This is starting to get even funny. I didn’t know Canonical and ShatterMyWorld were out to put some deal of comedy in all this (No hard feelings…) But it’s sad to see the direction that Ubby took, and as a community now, we’re entering strange waters. Ubby was made for Windows refugees, but now I see that goal fade away – since when Windows users will get used to the hellish global menu and Unity? It’s just a shot in the foot. How do you expect to get more of the Windows user share base when you actually construct a MacOS interface-like layout? So now, you’re after MacOS users, right? i can’t see any logic on why menus must be outside their own application window – this is a no brainer. I guess people buy Apple products because they just work and they’re very integrated. But it’s a different story with Ubby (wireless ethernet, anyone?)

    But tell me, what you gonna do when Ubby is no longer the first? Trash Unity? I will want to see this, oh yes, I will want to see this… Something tells me that you didn’t make this to be #2.

    • http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com Farran Lee

      a) afaik it wasn’t made for windows refugees
      b) you may consider things to be ‘hellish’ but ffs it’s not even finished yet, and I’m damn sure they’re not going to stop perfecting it after releasing it

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Of course the PUBLIC TARGET of Ubuntu *ARE* Windows users… you can read that in just about every corner on the internet. How come you get here and say “As Far As I Know, I wans’t made for Windows refugees”… I guess you are shortened in knowledge. Yes, it’s hellish and I really speak against it, because it’s barely usable, I’d rather play with LEGO then clicking these buttons on a side bar.

        • Anonymous

          Since 80-90% of the worlds computer literate people actually use Windows it’s really not a shock that Windows users are a target.

          The people that actively seek options to Windows are probably a bit more open-minded and willing to learn new stuff, just look at how Apple’s market shares have risen over the last few years. Their interface and logic is even further away from Windows than Ubuntu.

          Go play with your lego..

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

            I play with my LEGO, and it’s much more EXCITING than using Unity, oh yes! Boring Unity!

    • Anonymous

      Have you actually tried unity?

    • http://twitter.com/zc456 Squeaks

      “So now, you’re after MacOS users, right?”

      If Mac can go after Windows users, then Ubuntu can go after Windows and Mac users.

  • http://twitter.com/fleamour Lee Seymour

    People will be negative if they want. The main opinion I’m hearing here is: “I do not like the wallpaper, I’m gonna move countries…”

  • http://twitter.com/crapuchino Aleksei

    Anyway, I believe Canonical will make a very good end-product with Unity, because it has a very good feedback, it’s not microsoft, wich “know best what you need”

  • http://twitter.com/ulritx Eneko

    Is there a real need of changing constantly? How much time until Ubuntu decides it’s not an usable UI and change again?

    Switch to something stable, please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MeanEYE ミヤトヴ ムラデン

    I didn’t like Unity at first, mostly because I don’t like sloppy work. Lately Unity team really worked on fine polishing of the whole shell. It’s still far from it will be and a lot of things are either missing or I don’t find them usable but instead of complaining what you all should do is head over to brainstom.ubuntu.com and make a suggestion, vote to existing ones. Community can make a difference!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMPAXD4UJ34MDIDZGS5X5XTH7A dead

    That does it! I’m switching to the “difference engine”…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMPAXD4UJ34MDIDZGS5X5XTH7A dead

    That does it! I’m switching to the “difference engine”…

  • Anonymous

    I really tried to use unity many times, but it is so painful to use. To me it really feels like a touchscreen ui, that was forced on my desktop. Everything takes so much longer. And I get pain in my wrist on using it on my laptop, really!

    Also I really hate zeitgeist or activity journal or what it is called, I understand that it has many benefits or so. But I have no freaking control over this thing (at least I dont know, sorry if there is).

    Also Ubuntu seems really to be atracting mac users! Not much critical thinking, and praising everything they do.

    For all the “For the change, for the future, progress” people. Have you ever thought what “progress” is, why it is neccesary, and under which circumstances progress can become dangerous? (nothing to with unity, at least I hope, lol ;) )

    • Anonymous

      actually funny thing. we all have ‘stuff’ we don’t want everyone to immediately see and yet they immediately come up in dash in recently used. I have no idea how to stop it, But anyways.

  • Anonymous

    I really tried to use unity many times, but it is so painful to use. To me it really feels like a touchscreen ui, that was forced on my desktop. Everything takes so much longer. And I get pain in my wrist on using it on my laptop, really!

    Also I really hate zeitgeist or activity journal or what it is called, I understand that it has many benefits or so. But I have no freaking control over this thing (at least I dont know, sorry if there is).

    Also Ubuntu seems really to be atracting mac users! Not much critical thinking, and praising everything they do.

    For all the “For the change, for the future, progress” people. Have you ever thought what “progress” is, why it is neccesary, and under which circumstances progress can become dangerous? (nothing to with unity, at least I hope, lol ;) )

  • Anonymous

    Feh. It looks like a lot of free software projects are abandoning compositing for anyone with less than OpenGL 1.5 support, which I think is probably a good thing if there are options you can’t have without abandoning that support, or if it’s too annoying to program for.

    I guess older versions of compiz or things like cairocompmgr and xcompmgr will have to satiate those with older graphics cards. I don’t think people who’ve been using compiz for ages are going to be willing to settle for a 2D version of Unity.

  • Anonymous

    What I dislike about this situation is the complete lack of appreciation of Canonical’s vision, or even the complete apathy towards the fact that Canonical has a vision at all.

    Canonical is the first Linux OS vendor that has a vision oriented towards the consumer market. To implement that vision, to create a unique product, they need to experiment and they need to remove the dependency on legacy software from their product. Unlike other OS vendors, the Linux OS market and Canonical’s open character still provider users with other products should they want to.

    I feel that the Linux OS market really, desperately, needs a company like Canonical, and I fully applaud this experiment, regardless of Unity’s quality (I have yet to do more with it than a bit of experimentation). Unfortunately, a large number of people doesn’t appreciate what Canonical is trying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001839601469 Nathan Moos

      Couldn’t have put it better myself. People will recognize “Ubuntu” as a brand if they see something unique, not something that’s just going the same way as everything else, like Gnome2 or KDE.

      Canonical is doing the right thing by making the competitors’ products available, though, unlike M$FT or AAPL not allowing you to use another desktop environment. Traditionalist users will just install a traditionalist desktop.

      And the reality is: experimentation is the best way to go here. As many have said before me, this may take several releases to get right, but eventually, they well get it right. And I’ll stand behind them the whole way, reporting bugs and writing code for them.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been using Unity again since the beta (I tried it too like 3 weeks ago), it mostly works well, I’m pleasantly surprised with how much it improved.

    I’m dying to try out GNOME 3 in a few days, and resolve once for all if Canonical was right (about gnome-shell, because GNOME 3 apps will, obviously, hit Ubuntu 11.10).

  • http://twitter.com/finitybeyond David Chen

    Screw y’all. Imma switch to Plan 9 and use Stumpwm.

    Seriously, those people threatening to switch just because of Unity, have you actually used unity-compiz? Have you actually tried out the Natty beta? If you think unity-compiz is the same as Ubuntu Netbook Edition, you have no idea. It is so much better. I tried Gnome Shell and unity-compiz, Gnome Shell/Mutter is painfully slow and unpolished in comparison. If you had bad experiences with Ubuntu Netbook Edition, know that it is partially because, it, like Gnome Shell, uses Mutter.

    Unity will be a reason for me to switch TO Natty (I’m running Mint 10 right now due to some WM-unrelated usability issues). If you don’t like Unity, you can install a WM of your choice. You’re running Linux for crying out loud. Don’t you know how to install a window manager if you wanted to?

    • Anonymous

      Didn’t you read, most of them said they’re too lazy!

      • http://twitter.com/finitybeyond David Chen

        Which is ironic because they would rather reinstall the whole operating system.

  • http://twitter.com/elinyera Linyera Baez

    Did people really believe that Canonical will kept the two panel thing for their convenience?

  • http://twitter.com/elinyera Linyera Baez

    Did people really believe that Canonical will kept the two panel thing for their convenience?

  • http://twitter.com/elinyera Linyera Baez

    Did people really believe that Canonical will kept the two panel thing for their convenience?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marcelo-Martinez/100001745360837 Marcelo Martínez

    Excellent choice!

  • http://twitter.com/etyrmi Erlend Tyrmi

    Lucid Lynx is supported until April 2013. I’m sure Unity Desktop will be totally awesome and customizable long before that. ;-)

    Personally I would need to get rid of the enormous dock and get my desktop app back before I could switch to it. That’s just how I want to use my laptop. It’s a workplace, not a big cellphone.

    Seems they have adapted Apples principle: Limiting choices will ultimately make things easier for the user. I just hope they can pull it off, cause then it has to be amazing to be able to convince an unruly bunch of Linux-users. Like me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/JubJub-Favha/100001632090683 JubJub Favha

    Let me say from the start that I am by no means a “power user” although I do not consider myself a complete noob, I’ve used various distros of Linux since 2001. I’ve never weighed in with an opinion in a Linux forum; but feel compelled to do so hear. I suppose Canonical can take this as honest feedback from an average user that abandoned Windows and OSX out of frustration and disappointment with both products and the companies behind them.

    Thank you Canonical for putting in countless hours/funds into a FREE quality product. It must be disconcerting handing users a FREE product you’ve developed with obvious care and conviction only to have them slam it for an honest attempt at innovation. I do think that you deserve a little more loyalty and faith from a user base that seems to have been very satisfied with your product thus far.
    To all those that are threatening to leave Ubuntu because of Unity, you have the right not to like the UI. I can say that I (at this point) am not a fan of it either, but don’t just say “I hate it! I’m switching to Fedora!!” Give Conical good honest CONSTRUCTIVE feedback. Canonical wants to make a product that people want to use, it is in their best intrest. If Canonical hears a swell of constructive organized user dissatisfaction they will respond. If you really are concerned with the direction of Ubuntu let them know and try to shape the direction of the distro. Users have more influence, particularly in the Linux community, with organized well-thought-out feedback than with threats of distro abandonment. Organize your complaints, gather signatures/votes and present them to Canonical, Ubuntu is worth your effort. If Canonical doesn’t listen after that, then you have justifacation to walk away.
    I myself am not troubled by the clash over Unity, I think people are passionate because they care and love the OS. What concerns me is that a group of obviously intelligent people can not organize themselves to affect change to their satisfaction. It would be interesting for OMG! Ubuntu! to start an organized poll/feedback tracking on this website to support Canonical on this and other issues. I’m sure Conical would love honest constructive feedback from their user base, any company would. It may be too late to influence Natty, but it may make Oneiric Ocelot more user friendly.
    Thanks OMG! Ubuntu! – Great site

    • Anonymous

      Moving to another distros, heart fully understand….but Fedora? Fedora is the reason I moved to Ubuntu. Something will always break from release to release.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dilemmabar Sakis Alykanas Dilemma Bar

    unity it will be great for touch screens computers but for normal pc’s it wil be really really bad

  • http://twitter.com/icyeh Shelby

    I much prefer Unity, so I’m happy about this. :) Can’t wait until I have a new computer that I can put Ubuntu on! I’ve been stuck using Windows XP since my laptop died.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWSOTHNJWUCFFCL5XJPX6CNABQ Renan

    well, I guess this is time to leave Ubuntu

    • http://www.facebook.com/garrd.thennson Garrd Thennson

      I’ve been toying with Fedora xfce spin as opposed to Xubuntu. Mainly to send a message Shuttleworth who is losing the plot fast along with the gnome 3 team. The obsession with desktop branding through “innovative” GUIs is going crazy. Its nothing more than superfical wrapping.

      Linux ain’t Oracle. Were not locked in so I can wander where I like. This is the real strength of linux.

      • https://launchpad.net/~sabdfl Mark Shuttleworth

        Message received. Cheerio!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

          Quoting from “LOST”…

          ‘Are you Him?’

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DWSOTHNJWUCFFCL5XJPX6CNABQ Renan

    well, I guess this is time to leave Ubuntu

  • http://identi.ca/LauRoman LaurenÈ›iu Roman

    Ubuntu 2d will ship on the disc? Didn’t ubunt start numbering at 4.10? I think you meant Unity 2d.

  • http://identi.ca/LauRoman LaurenÈ›iu Roman

    Ubuntu 2d will ship on the disc? Didn’t ubunt start numbering at 4.10? I think you meant Unity 2d.

  • Thomas Schaz

    You guys have no idea what you are talking about. I tried the Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 for a few days and the result was that I have never used a more efficient user environment, it is like gnome-do and dockbarx with extras combined together in a layout that also maximizes vertical space which is great with the stupid 16:9 displays you get in todays laptops.
    If you want to start anything you hit the Super(Windows)-Key and type the first few letter of the program you want to start, key down an enter. And this is just a few things that are so great about it.
    Nothing you can do with the mouse is faster, you just have to adapt to the new environment and then you’ll notice how much better it is.

    The problem are those stupid review videos from people with no idea who install the thing and do a review after 5 mins of use without knowing half of the actual functions and clicking around stupidly in the menus which then looks like a huge waste of time for the users…
    But this is not how you will be using the new environment.

    Just give it a try and make yourself familiar with it before ranting around how stupid it is or switching distributions (which is the stupidest thing I ever heard – its like throwing away a PC because you dont like the color)

  • Thomas Schaz

    You guys have no idea what you are talking about. I tried the Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 for a few days and the result was that I have never used a more efficient user environment, it is like gnome-do and dockbarx with extras combined together in a layout that also maximizes vertical space which is great with the stupid 16:9 displays you get in todays laptops.
    If you want to start anything you hit the Super(Windows)-Key and type the first few letter of the program you want to start, key down an enter. And this is just a few things that are so great about it.
    Nothing you can do with the mouse is faster, you just have to adapt to the new environment and then you’ll notice how much better it is.

    The problem are those stupid review videos from people with no idea who install the thing and do a review after 5 mins of use without knowing half of the actual functions and clicking around stupidly in the menus which then looks like a huge waste of time for the users…
    But this is not how you will be using the new environment.

    Just give it a try and make yourself familiar with it before ranting around how stupid it is or switching distributions (which is the stupidest thing I ever heard – its like throwing away a PC because you dont like the color)

  • http://twitter.com/Condoulo Tyler Brown

    Ok, so to address a few things I see here.

    1. Unity is change for changes sake? I don’t think so. They’re trying to make things more unified and consistent on their distro, hence the name Unity. Not to mention, the old GNOME 2 interface is being put onto the back burner by the GNOME developers. So they could either use GNOME-Shell (which to me feels like change for changes sake), fork the old GNOME 2 interface, which takes up extra resources in Canonical to develop two separate GUIs (Unity and the old GNOMe 2), OOOOR they could take something in-house, tailor and improve it for Desktop usage, so they can consolidate resources AND make unify things on their GUI.

    2. You can change it to whatever you want if you don’t like it. I assume most people on here KNOW how to do that as that was probably one of the reasons they went to Linux.

    3. Canonical is probably not going to ship the classic GNOME interface with 11.10 because I doubt the GNOME team themselves are going to include it with GNOME for much longer than maybe a year or so. So face it: unless somebody does a fork, its going to be dead.

    4. Comparing Unity now back to the Ubuntu Netbook Edition for 10.10, its improved DRASTICALLY in nearly 6 months. They’re doing something with Unity that I haven’t seen as much with the GNOME Team and GNOME-Shell: They’re listening to their user-base to improve it. For example, they moved it from a slow Mutter Base to a snappy Compiz Base. The slow mutter base was a major complaint from the User-base.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LLFBBO3CDQUMGQXOQNGXDDDBPM Ladymecha

    Another good reason for me to to keep with opensuse, really Unity is too un customizable, too unstable, and too new.
    It should not be standard till 12.04!

    Or use another KDE based distro, or LXDE

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3WQKS42HMYM422OBM3Y4KI2TSA Peter

    While I’m not really a big fan of Unity, it’s only in Beta right now…I’m sure by 11.10 I’ll be used to it or at least getting used to it…and of course, the beauty of all this is that we’ll end up figuring out how to install a Classic desktop anyways. When I first read this, I thought this was going to be a bad thing, but the more I think about it, this is the way to go….

    • Anonymous

      I wish everyone who doesn’t like Unity (yet) was as sensible as you :)

    • Anonymous

      I wish everyone who doesn’t like Unity (yet) was as sensible as you :)

    • Anonymous

      I wish everyone who doesn’t like Unity (yet) was as sensible as you :)

    • Anonymous

      I wish everyone who doesn’t like Unity (yet) was as sensible as you :)

  • http://profiles.google.com/badvibe Dave Snell

    wow. I don’t get the anger. The desktop needs to move on and evolve like any other software tool. This is linux, not windows or OSX. If you don’t like Unity an alternative is just a few clicks away. So change it and chill.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IVYRR3G4GYLO5ZU6XUWBHHHDOI Craig

    Bahahahahaha

    These comments are great. The joy of the ignorant from both fronts, it is entertaining.

  • Anonymous

    I have no problem if they’re not going to ship another GUI.
    So long as they can ship Unity without any problems, I’m cool.

  • Anonymous

    i think, choices like this must be taken sometimes. Actually Gnome Shell was very useful and fast but unity is one step ahead from gnome shell. btw i didn’t tried gnome 3 beta, may be i’m just wrong..

  • http://profiles.google.com/nana.buluku.gunst nana buluku

    Calm down it’s just a desktop. 10.04 and 10.10 are still going to be supported with security updates until next year. Debian will have the classic gnome environment for quite a while for those that cant stay with unity/gs while they mature. In 20 years, or whenever the next stable Debian is released with some new shell, you can blow the dust off an old windows 7 cd and install that because every commercial OS will have some new fancy shell interface. LXDE and XFCE will probably bloat and mature to the featureful point that Gnome now finds itself and decide to ad some kind of a Shell too.

    I don’t know at what point different people creating different experiences for the end user in linux went from being touted as “choice” to “duplication of effort” but I’m quite happy with the splits happening. Six months ago OpenSuse, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mint all looked pretty much the same on a default install, in the next six months they will almost all be different. I think things were getting a little stale and homogeneous, not that there is anything REALLY wrong with that, but if that’s what I wanted I could’ve just kept on plodding along with windows.

  • http://twitter.com/di0nysys Andrew Smith

    screw progress, I’m switching back to my PII 400mhz!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    ¿Que sigue? ¿La terminal?

    • http://fitoschidoblog.wordpress.com Adolfo Jayme (Fitoschido)

      No.

  • Anonymous

    Why does everyone dislike Unity so much anyway? They’ve come a long way in 6 months, so imagine what Unity will be like in another release or two. The only sensible reason I can think of for not liking Unity is change, something a lot of people can’t handle or don’t enjoy.

    • http://twitter.com/christianjager Christian Jäger

      Because the design stinks. It is simply inferior to Vanilla GNOME 2.

      I have tried and tried again to get used to Unity-2D on my netbook and it simply is confusing with its overcrowded top-panel, its disingenious idea to populate the ME-menu with links to applications. You see, it’s not as much the dock/dash that I don’t like, but everything else.

  • Anonymous

    in my eyes unity is a prototype. when it will be full functional it’s nothing more than an extended quick menu wich has one dimension, for all day work this may be fine. a power user – administrator has to have more means to work in a GUI.
    why do we want to limit the abilities of a user interfave? because it’s easy to use, but everything not so easy get’s even more complecate.
    what is about multi windows applications, they cannot be handeld anymore. what is about a multi monitor system? what’s about TSR programs, we will have to have special unity editions as far as i can see.
    is this all new to be new?
    at least there has to be a hotkey to restore normal menus and switch back to unity .. as long as this is not implicated unity is very nice for netbooks and ‘simple useres’ and nothing else. and the user simplex will work with windows anyway.

    • http://twitter.com/n00bsonubuntu n00bs on Ubuntu

      i totally agree with this :)

  • http://twitter.com/RoDiMuSX Dan Abarbanel

    I was a little skeptical about Unity at first, but now after installing Natty I am really enjoying the Unity interface. Give it a try you may either love it or hate it but its definitely different from the tradition use of GUI.

  • http://twitter.com/RoDiMuSX Dan Abarbanel

    I was a little skeptical about Unity at first, but now after installing Natty I am really enjoying the Unity interface. Give it a try you may either love it or hate it but its definitely different from the tradition use of GUI.

  • http://twitter.com/zc456 Squeaks

    I’m not sure what’s up with all the “leaving”, aside from drama. Not stopping you but just think for a one minute, maybe. Understand those who dislike Unity obviously don’t like it but there are other choices for Ubuntu within Ubuntu via. the repositories or distros.

    Just because it doesn’t ship by default, doesn’t mean it isn’t still there. This is Linux, people. Not Windows or Mac OS X.

  • http://petercast.net Peterson Silva

    Hmm So I guess if I want to use AWN alone I’ll have to go with XFCE or something? (Not that I use it, but my girlfriend does…)

  • http://twitter.com/muhalifsirin muhalif sirin

    I tried unity but I did not like it. I just find it an inferior and less customizable versions of gnome panel and various docks

    I have just one question: How will we use the goddamn OS without a proper system tray, or notification tray, whatever you call it. I wanted to use cellwriter, or guake and I could not. Because only the applications that got permission from Canonical can appear there. That for me is deal-breaker.

    Also the dock appears only if we take cursor to uppermost left corner. This should be adjustable. Location of panel should be adjustable as well.

    Gnome-shell is a different story. I have used only the one in ubuntu ppas, and it was horrible. I don’t see the excitement with zeitgeist (an advanced version of recent documents). What gnome really needed was a real, integrated file search apparatus. Oh also a real update on gtk, just like qt had one. Instead we get things like unity or gnome shell.

  • http://twitter.com/stewieX One Geek To Another

    The problem isn’t that Ubuntu is switching to Unity as its main interface, the problem is that it is switching to it too soon. It is not a finished or polished product yet. I fear that Canonical is taking a reckless step back from its goal of converting new users to Linux .

    • http://twitter.com/zc456 Squeaks

      Even if isn’t finished or polished, nether was Mac OS X when it first came out. Now look at it – it’s the best thing since Swiss Cheese.

      Canonical needs to start somewhere and since Unity began life on 10.10, 11.04 is the next logical step. At least your not losing any money if 11.04 turns into a bust.

      • Anonymous

        Oh man. Couldn’t agree more, back when OSX came out I hated and loved it. Saw the vision but running the student labs at my University sometimes became a pretty big headache with those Macs. I remember one guy having a nervous breakdown when his Mac froze before he saved his work which was due in a few hours (We had signs posted around the computer labs that said SAVE OFTEN….maybe we should’ve made them out of neon).

        In my experience software in Linux gets better via user feedback / bug re ports / etc. It isn’t finished but it sure has made a hell of a lot of progress in a short amount of time ( I don’t think people quite appreciate the rapid development)

  • http://www.facebook.com/garrd.thennson Garrd Thennson

    Unity and Gnome 3 are both epic fail for me. Maybe some people like them, there just not for me. Maybe someone new to computing would also like it. Maybe drooling Mac users. Who knows ? Big world takes all sorts

    Thank goodness for xfce. I don’t want to spend time drooling at the desktop. I got work to do. One task bar bottom of screen, some place to run applications and place to switch between them and a few other bits and bobs.

    It isn’t rocket science, now really is it ?

  • Anonymous

    If I want to switch to another distros for the sake of Gnome 2 UI, I just stay with 10.10. Do people really believe Gnome 2 will last forever. Gnome.org has stopped developing Gnome 2 except for critical patches.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1200403968 Fred McKinney

    I started my Linux journey as a KDE user with Mandrake back in 2004. I was a KDE die-hard until KDE4 came out, which drove me to GNOME. But last year, I saw what the future of GNOME was, and I didn’t like what I saw. Thus, at this time last year I switched to Xfce and enjoy using it immensely. Besides, I had seen several very hateful people on GNOME-Look, plus remember Miguel de Icaza’s potty-mouthed rant at Ubuntu over Banshee? With the way de Icaza mouthed off like that, I won’t even inasmuch as touch GNOME with a 10-foot pole ever again. As far as I’m concerned, good riddance, GNOME!

    To be sure, LXDE definitely has potential too, and I’ve tinkered with it a time or two or three, but in my mind, it’s not quite as polished as Xfce is.

  • stewbuds

    Hi, every mockup/demo of Unity I have seen always has the trash icon at the bottom of it. Does anyone know if it can be deleted or swapped for something useful? I can click on the file explorer and see the trash in the rare case I ever wanted to use it. Also is it possible to get with of the square tiles behind the icons? At the moment they look like they have been borrowed from an iphone. I’d sooner just have the icons on their own. One last thing, is it possible to have a task bar still with Unity? Most of the time I dont need it but sometimes when I have many windows open its a real help, expose just becomes annoying in those instances.
    I think Unity looks interesting but I wish they had gotten rid of the top panel completely. Can it be set to auto-hide even when it has the options from a full screen window on it?
    Thanks.

    • https://launchpad.net/~sabdfl Mark Shuttleworth

      Interesting request. As far as I can remember, you’re the first person to suggest that the Trash should be removable. That doesn’t make it a bad idea, we’d just need to think of a clean way to let people add it back if they deleted it accidentally.

      The simplest approach would be to treat it as a normal app, and have it show up in the App lens, so you could just launch it there, or drag it to the launcher. Perhaps, if we did that, we could drop the special-case Trash-at-the-bottom.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Dear Mark,

        As you may have read, I switched over to Fedora 14. I really enjoyed previous versions of Ubuntu, like 9.10 for example. But there’s something you must know. Along this journey I have converted my father and my wife to dump Windows and I gave them Ubuntu. My father is 69 and is running 10.10 with not one issue in usability. My wife likes so much the GNOME panels layout, that she simply doesn’t want to use either Windows XP or 7 any longer.

        Last night I did an experiment on her, which was to make her try Unity. She absolutely hated, because her brain is used to GNOME Panels and is too lazy to learn something new as she just settled with previous versions of Ubuntu. I am not running this same experiment on my dad because he’s not very tolerant and will not accept this. Unity will be unusable for both of them, and apart from that, the Classic Desktop is what they are going to be using this upcomming release, after of course, I put it all back the way it was – no global menu, etc.

        My request is that you leave the GNOME layout panel in Classic Desktop, not global menu. At least place a button on desktop so that you can get the old panels like they were, with one click. Isn’t this asking too much, is it?

        You see, when I am upset with all these changes, I can make my own dog food, rant, criticize, etc. But what about the people around me who actually installed Ubuntu and never looked back? What am I supposed to do with them?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HZILZGJ4PKNN67IK7JYXIKHLSM DjznBR

        Dear Mark,

        As you may have read, I switched over to Fedora 14. I really enjoyed previous versions of Ubuntu, like 9.10 for example. But there’s something you must know. Along this journey I have converted my father and my wife to dump Windows and I gave them Ubuntu. My father is 69 and is running 10.10 with not one issue in usability. My wife likes so much the GNOME panels layout, that she simply doesn’t want to use either Windows XP or 7 any longer.

        Last night I did an experiment on her, which was to make her try Unity. She absolutely hated, because her brain is used to GNOME Panels and is too lazy to learn something new as she just settled with previous versions of Ubuntu. I am not running this same experiment on my dad because he’s not very tolerant and will not accept this. Unity will be unusable for both of them, and apart from that, the Classic Desktop is what they are going to be using this upcomming release, after of course, I put it all back the way it was – no global menu, etc.

        My request is that you leave the GNOME layout panel in Classic Desktop, not global menu. At least place a button on desktop so that you can get the old panels like they were, with one click. Isn’t this asking too much, is it?

        You see, when I am upset with all these changes, I can make my own dog food, rant, criticize, etc. But what about the people around me who actually installed Ubuntu and never looked back? What am I supposed to do with them?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000001199257 Sonicfan Forlife

    -Unity will become polished and ship
    -The users who don’t like it will create a fork like Gubuntu or Classbuntu
    -Canonical will officially support this fork
    -Guides on how to install this will pop up on internet
    -Everybody happy

  • Daniel Foré

    I’m actually happy to see Canonical really sticking to their guns. Shipping GNOME 2 along side Unity says, “We’re not confident in our decisions.”

    So I say good for them! Defining exactly what kind of experience you’re trying to provide and focusing in on that experience is a good thing. It’s a lot of work to try to maintain a bunch of crap that you don’t believe in.

    IMHO, it would be perfectly reasonable for Canonical to decide not to provide GNOME Shell at all in their repositories, along with not hosting XFCE, LXDE, KDE, enlightenment, etc etc. Really, they have been so lenient with the customizability of Ubuntu it’s ridiculous.

    I think it’s really sad that the Linux crowd screams freedom of choice, but get upset when they are made to choose. There isn’t a platform out there that can be perfect for absolutely everyone. But, that’s OK! You have the choice of *which platform* that is best suited to your needs/desires.

    You have to realize that if you choose Ubuntu you are also choosing Unity! If you choose another distro you are choosing the experience that distro ships. So don’t freak out that Canonical is taking away your freedom. That’s just plain not true. You always have the freedom to choose a distro that ships what you want.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6CLU5ZOTFN5KZODOREOPZ27B7Q John Nelson

      I really hate it when I agree with Dan Rabbit.

  • Anonymous

    Unity (3D and 2D) doesn’t even work on my eee PC, due to the 800×480 screen size. So much for unity starting out as a netbook edition replacement.

  • Ahit

    I guess i will download the alternate cd and install and wont download the live cd, and then install gui separately.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t care about gnome panels now. Ubuntu have Unity and if they focus on Unity only its gonna be all good. I just hope they wont make something new again in Ubuntu 12.04 cause they will be bored of Unity :P

  • http://mark-y-a.myopenid.com/ Mark

    It will take how many releases to get Unity right, just as how KDE4 went from horrible to beautiful. I’m sticking with Ubuntu. I’m tired of distro-switching from Fedora/RH9, Mandriva, SUSE, Kubuntu then Ubuntu (although they’re still *buntus). Geez, I even almost switched to Gentoo, but too much compilation. Damn I’m running out of options. LOL!

    • Yi Sun-sin

      Go for ArchLinux !

  • http://mark-y-a.myopenid.com/ Mark

    It will take how many releases to get Unity right, just as how KDE4 went from horrible to beautiful. I’m sticking with Ubuntu. I’m tired of distro-switching from Fedora/RH9, Mandriva, SUSE, Kubuntu then Ubuntu (although they’re still *buntus). Geez, I even almost switched to Gentoo, but too much compilation. Damn I’m running out of options. LOL!

  • http://mark-y-a.myopenid.com/ Mark

    It will take how many releases to get Unity right, just as how KDE4 went from horrible to beautiful. I’m sticking with Ubuntu. I’m tired of distro-switching from Fedora/RH9, Mandriva, SUSE, Kubuntu then Ubuntu (although they’re still *buntus). Geez, I even almost switched to Gentoo, but too much compilation. Damn I’m running out of options. LOL!

  • http://mark-y-a.myopenid.com/ Mark

    It will take how many releases to get Unity right, just as how KDE4 went from horrible to beautiful. I’m sticking with Ubuntu. I’m tired of distro-switching from Fedora/RH9, Mandriva, SUSE, Kubuntu then Ubuntu (although they’re still *buntus). Geez, I even almost switched to Gentoo, but too much compilation. Damn I’m running out of options. LOL!

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I really like Gnome Shell and its workflow (so far), and prefer it over both Gnome classic and Unity. But if I’m ever dissatified, Fedora still has a Gnome classic fallback…

  • http://profiles.google.com/hellene.atheist Alkinoos Komninos

    About time

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=566305044 Jason ‘Budget’ Espin

    Last straw for me really.
    I don’t like the direction Ubuntu is taking. I’m just hoping that the Elementary OS doesn’t go the same way. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a netbook interface (which is essentially what Unity is) does not belong on a desktop.

    Any recommendations? I’m on Elementary OS at the moment but we all know for the timebeing that it is basically a skinned Ubuntu (until further releases hopefully).

    • https://launchpad.net/~sabdfl Mark Shuttleworth

      Jason

      Just to clarify: the first version of Unity would definitely not have worked on a desktop with a large screen. We made a number of changes to Unity, that let it handle both large and small screens quite well. For example, instead of always opening the dash full screen, it can now take up just the space it needs. On a large screen, than makes it less jarring.

      So, Unity for 11.04 on the desktop is quite different to 10.10′s version on the desktop. If you haven’t tried it, give it a shot, and if it doesn’t work for you, enjoy the Classic interface and I’ll be interested in your suggestions for 11.10.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=566305044 Jason ‘Budget’ Espin

    Last straw for me really.
    I don’t like the direction Ubuntu is taking. I’m just hoping that the Elementary OS doesn’t go the same way. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a netbook interface (which is essentially what Unity is) does not belong on a desktop.

    Any recommendations? I’m on Elementary OS at the moment but we all know for the timebeing that it is basically a skinned Ubuntu (until further releases hopefully).

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KME6NDF3KTWK6NNPG5SF36PLBI Ambleston

    For all those who are hoping that Arch will keep Gnome 2, follow the link and answer 4 is from an Arch Dev: -

    https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115568

  • http://twitter.com/iGer German Emmanuel iGer

    Stupid Unity

    • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

      Just wait for 12.04!

    • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

      Just wait for 12.04!

    • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

      Just wait for 12.04!

    • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

      Just wait for 12.04!

    • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

      Just wait for 12.04!

  • http://twitter.com/iGer German Emmanuel iGer

    Stupid Unity

  • Anonymous

    I say bring the Unity on. Gnome 3, once it’s released and the bugs are fixed in the subsequent releases, improvements and innovation will stagnant. Unity has the ability to make innovative changes more quickly, and even going back a step then going forward, it is more agile. Don’t look at today, look towards tomorrow. Unity is not staying as is for the next 5 years, it is moving rapidly.

    Linux users are not one to embrace change. There were little distinguishing distros, so people were in their comfort zone, year after year the same. Mark Shuttleworth has the guts and vision to make changes in an ecosphere that is very resistant and highly critical, even on the personal level, of any change. Will it be successful? For Linux for the consumer, I sure hope so because it is long overdue and is what I’ve been waiting for. Someone initiating something different will always be the brunt of criticism. I just hope that they can hang in there long enough to where Gnome 3 is left behind. An example of this in the tech world is a recent popular product, Apple’s iPad. From bloggers to CEO’s of mega corporations criticised it, and amazingly still are, derided it and made fun it. When you go back and read their comments now you realise they had no vision. That being said, it’s the minority that initiates and embrace change, with the majority of us resisting and complaining, usually represented by the vocal minority. It’s no different here.

    • http://twitter.com/zc456 Squeaks

      I agree that change is needed. If an distro, like Ubuntu for example, decides to go it’s own direction (indicators, Unity, ect) then that’s great.

      It shows their willing to differentiate themselves from the pack. Linux desktops so far have been the same are all the same. Same two bars, same same theme, same applications, same package managers. So I’m glad with what there doing. This is Linux – you should be allowed to do that. Not everything has to be upstream.

      And if I don’t like it, then I’ll just go to the software center and download the environment of my choice.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just worried about the day when due to arbitrary changes, my existing hardware is no longer supportable.

    I’ve been using my current computer for three years now, I’ve maxed out the memory, I have a large (enough) hard drive, the graphics are adequate (for my needs), and I’m happy with it. I hope it will last another three years.

    If I wanted to be forced to buy a new computer every couple of years I’d use Windoze or Mac.

    So sure, I could stick to the LTS edition, or just not upgrade, or switch to a different distro, but I enjoy turning on my computer and it “Just Works”. That’s why I use Ubuntu.

  • http://twitter.com/4llerbuntu Fola Dawodu

    1. you do not have to upgrade, if u like the gnome 2 so much, stick to ur current install or even go back to 9.10, or 10.04

    2. all this talk about leaving, just leave.

    i remember when i started out with linux, i was curious as to the options available, so i tried downloading a whole lot of distros. i was very surprised when each one i booted simply looked exactly like the last one!!!
    for canonical, differentiation is a very good idea.

    3. this site and quite a few others like it have a maximum userbase of maybe 10, 000??? ubuntu has a userbase of millions. IF, 1 million leave i guess the rest of us will be waiting when they come back after a release or two.

  • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

    Unity 2d works great.

  • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

    Unity 2d works great.

  • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

    Unity 2d works great.

  • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

    Unity 2d works great.

  • http://twitter.com/dtechsoftware D-TECH software

    Unity 2d works great.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JNU6DS73VUMJKCB6EHLKCYT6PI todd

    staying not switching ! im using ubuntu studio 10.04.2 LTS at the moment , eventually gnome3 and unity will mature, its really exciting to see something different than windows or mac , ill probably triple boot 10.04 , 11.04 and windows7 . pretty exciting and nerdy too !

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LBVYAIBBDI3WGLAO63XZMCGCRE Alec

    Wow..I just read through every comment, a lot a passion out there which is great! However this does remind me of the hard core Windows XP users who desperately want to keep it going and not move to Windows 7…BUT, everyone you are using Linux, this means you have a choice, you can have what ever flavour you want. You do not have to like the direction Ubuntu is going but it’s everyone’s personal choice what suits them and their choice should be respected. Unity is still early so although default in 11.04 it takes little time to make Classic the boot option, I really think that with constructive input and another 6 months it could be made more customisable, more user friendly and by 11.10 maybe something to try out. So why not sit back run what ever you like and when 11.10 comes around make a more inform choice. I am running Ubuntu 11.04 64 classic desktop, I have tested Unity and personally am not yet sold on it, am am more worried about boot time, if suspend and hibernate work and speed of the system. I have a single top panel with three launchers in dockbarx and that is it, so I have no need yet for Unity.

  • Anonymous

    May I add to this silly conversation that this is the worst comment thread I’ve seen on a omgubuntu post ever?!

  • http://twitter.com/jspaleta Jef Spaleta

    Question,

    Was this a decision made by an Ubuntu governing body, like perhaps the tech board with some public discussion? Or was this a decision made internally by Canonical/Shuttleworth without using the established Ubuntu project governance?

    What role did the Ubuntu Technical Board play in validating this technical roadmap? Was this discussed at the last UDS? Did this come up for discussion during a recent tech board irc meeting? Can anyone point me to any archived public discussion with tech board members participating about the roadmap for Unity-2d to displace classic GNOME ahead of this one bug comment?

    -jef

  • http://profiles.google.com/pixelcowboy79 Jose Fernandez

    I’ve tested Unity and it’s just not my thing in any sense, so I won’t be using Ubuntu any more, although to be honest I have pretty much switched to Mint already.

    • http://twitter.com/AndyGait Andy Gait

      I tried Unity on the Tosh Netbooks when they came out a few years ago. Didn’t like it then. I’m running 11.04 beta on a spare drive as a test now and I’m really not sure about it now. It’s a brave move by Ubuntu IMHO.

      I’m going to stick with 10.10 for the time being and see what happens. It’s still supported for another year, so no need for anyone to rush into any decision just yet.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOR655GR4ZFHCMSV7FW5ROPSAA Cliff W

    Now I remember why I quit reading slashdot. But at least they had a scoring system so you don’t have to slog through all the idiocy unless you really want to.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6CLU5ZOTFN5KZODOREOPZ27B7Q John Nelson

    After years of drinking Coca-Cola, I’m going to start drinking Pepsi. I THINK THAT IT’S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD TO KNOW THAT.

  • http://www.facebook.com/simranjit1 Simranjit Singh Dhaliwal

    With ll you people praising unity and gnome shell this is a gnome 2.x lover. And no I’m not switching distros here but does these new desktops provide the utility and customization of docky / awn / Cairo /kiba ?? Now don’t say that unity has a panel. For me a panel lies horizontally at the bottom and is “customizable”!!! Customization was the forte of gnome, wasn’t it?? That’s why I chose gnome over the eye candy of KDE. Now what I (and a hell lot of other people) want is for canonical to add gnome as a package in the software center at least till 12.10. A no nonsense user like me doesn’t need a complicated third party fix for it. I don’t hate unity or gnome shell but i would like to give them a year or so till they become stable, diverse and customizable. I hope this is a logical stance or else a lot of people like me would have to switch a distro for the first time :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/simranjit1 Simranjit Singh Dhaliwal

    With ll you people praising unity and gnome shell this is a gnome 2.x lover. And no I’m not switching distros here but does these new desktops provide the utility and customization of docky / awn / Cairo /kiba ?? Now don’t say that unity has a panel. For me a panel lies horizontally at the bottom and is “customizable”!!! Customization was the forte of gnome, wasn’t it?? That’s why I chose gnome over the eye candy of KDE. Now what I (and a hell lot of other people) want is for canonical to add gnome as a package in the software center at least till 12.10. A no nonsense user like me doesn’t need a complicated third party fix for it. I don’t hate unity or gnome shell but i would like to give them a year or so till they become stable, diverse and customizable. I hope this is a logical stance or else a lot of people like me would have to switch a distro for the first time :(

  • Anonymous

    I’ve tried the Beta version of Unity and it has a long way to go IMHO. I will give Unity a whirl when the final product comes out but will be sorely disappointed if it doesn’t give me the versatility that I’ve gotten with Gnome 2.32 with compiz-fusion, and Docky. What I still don’t understand is will it primarily show more development for the 2D version (for people with less graphics capability) or will it have enhanced features for computers with the capability for enhanced graphics and gui effects. With Ubuntu 10.10 , compiz and Docky I’ve got a pretty nice setup and hate to see it work any less than what my system and graphics card is capable of providing.

  • http://twitter.com/Emacs232 Denis Cheremisov

    So, it looks like I’m switching to mint. Don’t like their defaults though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7GDSUK2NG6DBLX6A7HKSLGZN3Q eddy

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7GDSUK2NG6DBLX6A7HKSLGZN3Q eddy

    I’m already using Xubuntu 11.04 and loving it. It is the new gnome 2. XFCE 4.8 has some great new features.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001389067918 Christian Bendix

    Hm, Its not so bad, there is still Lucid Lynx avaible until 2013, also there are PPA’s.

    Hey, I Still can Install KDE 3.5 on my Lucid System and Gnome 2 won’t die so fast.

    And if Yes, maybe Unity gets better, and if not, there is still Xubuntu or Kubuntu, and last but not least, other Distros :)

  • http://hector-macias.blogspot.com Hector Macias Ayala

    To be able to freely modify and distribute are fundamental rights of free software, just as much as inifinite options to customize, so Canonical is all in its right to do this. If anybody doesnt like it, the linux world distinguishes itself for providing endless alternatives to the user.

    If you dont like being bothered with alternatives and choices, feel free to reinstall windows or macosx.

  • http://twitter.com/tancrackers John C

    Is Unity in Oneiric gonna be run on Gnome 3?

  • Anonymous

    Not for me, it’s a shame that I will have to change it, but it’s not as if I don’t have a list of programs and settings typed up for new installs anyway.

  • http://profiles.google.com/abir.sadik Abir Sadik

    in my opinion, unity is the most bogus thing ever. i don’t like it for many many small reasons, and i would rather prefer sticking to gnome. gnome is old and trusted, and gnome3 looks/works perfectly for me. im scared that 11.04 might bcome the vista for ubuntu.

  • http://twitter.com/jonathanmoerman Jonathan Moerman

    Unity sucks, I won’t upgrade to ubuntu 11.04 but instead switch to Kubuntu or Xubuntu. and I won’t be the only one!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1370370093 Anonymous

    I’ve tried Unity in Beta 1. I’ve been running it for about a week, and have not been able to get used to it. It just didn’t feel right. More importantly, like others, GNOME Shell won’t behave because of a lack in GTK 3. I know we’re in Beta, but even then, you would think that GTK 3 would be in the Beta already.

    I generally don’t let one thing (eg. this) coax me into changing a distro. It’s really the direction Ubuntu is taking that I just don’t feel comfortable with. Maybe I’m just too “advanced” and “above” Ubuntu’s target audience? I don’t like to think of myself as on a high horse or anything, but the way I see Ubuntu going, I feel that maybe it’s just not designed for both beginners and experienced users anymore.

    Regarding “threatening” to leave a distro. It doesn’t matter which one: good riddance. No Linux distro community (Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, whatever) needs people like that.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c Mikko

    KDE4 here i come

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c Mikko

    hp compaq presario cq56 -119eo doesn’t work well with unitybuntu 11.04

  • http://www.facebook.com/KeithWilliams51 Keith Williams

    OK.  I knew before 11.04 came out that Ubuntu was switching to Unity, so I added the 10.10 netbook version to my desktop install to try it out.  For 10.10, the Unity interface was OK, but not brilliant.  11.04 Unity…… what a difference.  Once you open an app, the launcher disappears giving you the full screen, minus the top panel.  What is the problem with that?

    From what I have read about Gnome 3, the dash etc are very similar to what Ubuntu provides with Unity.  It is early days, so the ability to move the launcher etc I am sure will come with more development.

    In my opinion, Unity is keeping me using Ubuntu daily, whereas before I would be constantly switching between Ubuntu and Windows.  As Linux constantly develops, so do the desktop environments.  This is what is known as progress.  For some that progress is too quick and for others too slow.

    Personally, I am sticking with Ubuntu and Unity. IT WORKS!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A7YPEO7JYADMDI2MC2WTPIRV3Q Vex

    Obviously Unity, and Gnome3 have been written with the direction of touchscreen enabled devices being a main focus.   I’m not going to knock either environment, and I’m interested to see how both mature, however, I will probably install some other desktop environment  for my daily computer use being that my laptop does not have a touch interface other than the traditional interfaces which operate by touch that we’re all use to (keyboard, mouse).  It just seems to me (and I could be completely wrong) that both Unity, and Gnome3 in their current state leave much to be desired for users using typical laptops, and desktops.  Sure, both environments are usable with traditional input devices, but I think a lot of us might be in agreement that neither interfaces seem quite natural to use when compared to traditional Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc (maybe this is just due to a refusal to change, or just out of what we’re use to). 

    Both Unity, and Gnome3 seem to share more similarities with my cell phone’s interface than what I’m typically looking for when using my laptop.  In a way that could be useful when taking less technically inclined users into consideration being that it keeps a similar type of interface across all of their devices. 

    I don’t really know what to make of this right now.  I can’t say I absolutely hate either environment… it just isn’t what I’m use to.  I think both Gnome3, and Unity have a long way to go, and they can, and will learn from each other as far as what works, and what doesn’t work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vegabond.sabbir Ghorar-dim Ami Sabbir

    I’ve been using Ubuntu 11.04 for 4 months+. I’m confused about unity.. Well, be honest with you guys, I  tried fedora 15 few day ago. That crashed twice on my PC for some certain software I can’t even remember about those software. But I think 11.10 is going to rock for Linux users! I’ll suggest you not to change destro of Linux OS rather we should change environment or wait till 11.10 releases! 

    I did also  try 11.10 (alpha 1). Oh! dear that was fully buggy…:( :(.. Alpha 2 has been released by now and alpha 3 is coming up on most probably August 4… Those are absolutely for developers! Don’t use them if you are new on Linux!! Ubuntu is best…and always will be……:D :D

  • Rony B Chandran

    That is.. No backward compatibility to old users.

    It is utter difficult for me when somebody tells that the world has changed to the next major version… big 3.. and so.. should walk with hands and shave with feet from now on…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GGLZOX6OL5B5MXKY2FCXB7O3CE Popy

    that unity desktop sh it is the most ret arded sh it i’ve ever seen in my life… if ubuntu had a hard time coming on the market before, now they don’t have a F FU UC CK IING chance!!!!!!

  • Joe Z

    While the Unity Desktop and the Gnome 3 shell have been a big turn off after upgrading to 11.04 for me and several friends who have put off the upgrade. New bugs that appear to be receiving little or no attention, resulting in frequent system crashes, lockups, screen corruptions, slowness, etc. have only exacerbated the desire to find a satisfactory solution . Linux Mint, based on Ubuntu seemed to be a candidate, and after trying out their Live DVD on my oldest and most affected notebook, I was quite impressed to find it ran faster and with fewer problems on the Live DVD than booting to Ubuntu 11.04 on the hard drive. In addition, some minor but useful changes were noticed in the Update Manager, and the freedom to manipulate and organize the Linux Mint default Desktop very close to what looked like the Gnome 2.x.x Desktop looked like under Ubuntu 10.10 which was essentially trouble free.
    Unity and/or Gnome 3 appear to be something I might find attractive and more desirable were I working from a small screen hand held device with a touch screen, but not on my 17″ notebook or even my much larger screen desktop computer.  Someone humorously, I presume, posted a list of the positive changes of Unity/Gnome 3 over Gnome 2, none of which provided anything for a more positive user experience in my opinion, and gaining 24 pixels of screen display eliminating the top bar which I use profusely could easily be accomplished already by simply changing its properties to Autohide, if desired. More options, rather than fewer options, has always been an attraction more likely to gain my attention and acceptance.
    Not to put Shuttleworth, Canonical, or Ubuntu down as it appears the developers of Gnome are more the source of the problem, but Linux Mint appears to be giving those who are dis-satisfied more attention in a positive way.
    Freedom, to choose and use what best fills our wants and needs is the main attraction of OSS.

  • Sorin Nemes Ioan

    oops a lot of typo mistakes – I’m sorry. But you will catch the meaning no problem ;) I just repair the broken Unity upgrade of today so I’m under pressure.  Sry again … 

  • http://www.thelaterepublic.org/ Diogenes

    Frankly, I find both Unity and Gnome 3 pretty unusable, and both organizations are about as tone deaf as they can be with these two interfaces: I don’t like the fact that when I clicked “upgrade” this morning my desktop basically got wiped out and replaced with one of Ubuntu’s choice without any real warning, and I don’t like that, upon replacing Unity with a regular Gnome desktop, I find that Gnome has deemed their brand recognition more important than my ability to customize my desktop. Both organizations are being pretty evil, though I’m sure that Ubuntu is going to get a chunk of the flack that more rightly belongs to Gnome when users reinstall the Gnome desktop and discover how broken it is.

 
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