Comments on: Mark Shuttleworth responds to the window button issue; hints at good things to come http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come Everything Ubuntu. Daily. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: thomashttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-36297 thomas Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:31:00 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-36297 Who were the dumbass democrats who put the window controls on the left? Who were the dumbass democrats who put the window controls on the left?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24186 Anonymous Mon, 13 Sep 2010 01:03:00 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24186 Really? They're still laughing about it 6 months later? Really? They’re still laughing about it 6 months later?

]]> By: Avichi Suitehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24178 Avichi Suite Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:47:00 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24178 No offense, but this is a damn old post; what brought you here? xD No offense, but this is a damn old post; what brought you here? xD

]]> By: disastrophehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24168 disastrophe Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:26:00 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24168 BTW, the rest of the Linux communities are watching this little drama unfold and quite literally falling out of their chairs laughing. There's some really funny posts about it ifloating around the PCLOS and PCBSD forums not to mention Linuxforums. :D BTW, the rest of the Linux communities are watching this little drama unfold and quite literally falling out of their chairs laughing. There’s some really funny posts about it ifloating around the PCLOS and PCBSD forums not to mention Linuxforums. :D

]]> By: disastrophehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24156 disastrophe Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-24156 I dunno. As I recent defector from winders I think it's pretty darned silly how everybody is getting so worked up about a really, really trite issue. Crimony, if you don't like where they are move 'em for Pete's sake. It's really easy.I've used windoze since 3.0 and having the silly window buttons in a different place didn't confuse me or put me off from Linux in the least. In fact it wasn't a consideration at all. They're just sily little buttons lol. In fact I love them on the left. If they move 'em to the right I'll move 'em back to the left lol. I like it being different than windoze. I started using Linux because it is different than windoze, so I find any difference, no matter how small, comforting and soothing. I mean just how dumb do you think we are? That's going to put more windoze users off than ANY configuration differences or learning requirements. We decided to give Linux a shot, and speaking for myself - my first concern was functionality (Ubuntu or Mint are the best in that regard.) They can do most anything windoze can but better and faster. Other reasons I switched were for security and stability. GUI differences are very minor details and I for one love them. Linux peeps worry too much about making ex-windoze users comfortable without knowing what that will entail. We're not all idiots and incapable of learning. The majority of the windoze users Linux will attract are those who are fairly computer savvy. Those who are not would rarely consider changing anything anyway, they don't even know what an OS is and so they don't even understand the question in the first place. Linux will never attract a significant number of users from that category unless it becomes as mutated and lame as winders. Jeez, the stupid little buttons are just not that critical. Heck, I hope they move the scrollbars too just watch everybody's reaction (can you imagine? lol) I dunno. As I recent defector from winders I think it’s pretty darned silly how everybody is getting so worked up about a really, really trite issue. Crimony, if you don’t like where they are move ‘em for Pete’s sake. It’s really easy.

I’ve used windoze since 3.0 and having the silly window buttons in a different place didn’t confuse me or put me off from Linux in the least. In fact it wasn’t a consideration at all. They’re just sily little buttons lol.
In fact I love them on the left. If they move ‘em to the right I’ll move ‘em back to the left lol. I like it being different than windoze. I started using Linux because it is different than windoze, so I find any difference, no matter how small, comforting and soothing.
I mean just how dumb do you think we are? That’s going to put more windoze users off than ANY configuration differences or learning requirements.
We decided to give Linux a shot, and speaking for myself – my first concern was functionality (Ubuntu or Mint are the best in that regard.) They can do most anything windoze can but better and faster.
Other reasons I switched were for security and stability. GUI differences are very minor details and I for one love them.
Linux peeps worry too much about making ex-windoze users comfortable without knowing what that will entail. We’re not all idiots and incapable of learning. The majority of the windoze users Linux will attract are those who are fairly computer savvy. Those who are not would rarely consider changing anything anyway, they don’t even know what an OS is and so they don’t even understand the question in the first place. Linux will never attract a significant number of users from that category unless it becomes as mutated and lame as winders.
Jeez, the stupid little buttons are just not that critical. Heck, I hope they move the scrollbars too just watch everybody’s reaction (can you imagine? lol)

]]> By: Genghishttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-423 Genghis Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:42:53 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-423 Interesting. Linux needs a Mark Shuttleworth, he has vision which Linux sorely needs.<br /><br />BTW: I do prefer the buttons on the left. I wouldn't mind a few changes to the colour and window title placement, but it will be refined over time. <br /><br />Just glad to see that it's moving. It important that it moves. Interesting. Linux needs a Mark Shuttleworth, he has vision which Linux sorely needs.

BTW: I do prefer the buttons on the left. I wouldn't mind a few changes to the colour and window title placement, but it will be refined over time.

Just glad to see that it's moving. It important that it moves.

]]> By: mattihttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-422 matti Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:38:58 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-422 1. Moving the buttons around, makes no additional space, merely repositions the same space you already had. Therefore the argument is only about location, not space. <br /><br />2. The hordes of Windows users, yet to be converted, lose one more "familiar action". I'm converting adults. This is not trivial. Please return the buttons to where newbies expect them to be.<br /><br />3. The line of sight over any image forms an arch, starting from near top left and ending at near bottom right. It pretty much bypasses and ignores the contents in top right corner. Why not put the new stuff "up front" in line of sight, i.e. top left? 1. Moving the buttons around, makes no additional space, merely repositions the same space you already had. Therefore the argument is only about location, not space.

2. The hordes of Windows users, yet to be converted, lose one more "familiar action". I'm converting adults. This is not trivial. Please return the buttons to where newbies expect them to be.

3. The line of sight over any image forms an arch, starting from near top left and ending at near bottom right. It pretty much bypasses and ignores the contents in top right corner. Why not put the new stuff "up front" in line of sight, i.e. top left?

]]> By: Christian Giordanohttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-421 Christian Giordano Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:49:07 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-421 It's a shame not everyone appreciated the fact that Mark doesn't want Ubuntu to be a cheaper version of Windows or MacOSX, collecting the safest features of the two. With unlimited resources, it would be great to develop different routes, of course. But <b>changing the unthinkable</b> remains a testament on how Mark is determined to innovate, and <b>now</b> is always the best moment to do it. It's a shame not everyone appreciated the fact that Mark doesn't want Ubuntu to be a cheaper version of Windows or MacOSX, collecting the safest features of the two. With unlimited resources, it would be great to develop different routes, of course. But changing the unthinkable remains a testament on how Mark is determined to innovate, and now is always the best moment to do it.

]]> By: Taylorhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-420 Taylor Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:21:38 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-420 I agree, it'll definitely be very interesting to see what the right-hand side is used for. It's nice not to have somewhat redundant buttons on both sides...<br /><br />I really wonder what they'll use it for though. I have no idea. I'm looking forward to said innovative changes. I agree, it'll definitely be very interesting to see what the right-hand side is used for. It's nice not to have somewhat redundant buttons on both sides…

I really wonder what they'll use it for though. I have no idea. I'm looking forward to said innovative changes.

]]> By: Nathanelhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-419 Nathanel Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:06:06 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-419 left hand side window buttons is the way to go...<br /><br />I do find it clears up space on the right for a more soothing visual experience rather than having a "button-full" GUI<br /><br />Despite that, I have always chaged it to the left throughout my previous OS experience (windows and linux).. never tried OS X until recently...<br /><br />It probably feel more natural to me I guess.<br /><br />How about you guys? left hand side window buttons is the way to go…

I do find it clears up space on the right for a more soothing visual experience rather than having a "button-full" GUI

Despite that, I have always chaged it to the left throughout my previous OS experience (windows and linux).. never tried OS X until recently…

It probably feel more natural to me I guess.

How about you guys?

]]> By: Kevinhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-418 Kevin Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:52:51 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-418 If they do something interesting with the right side in 10.10, I might consider using left-side buttons. Until then, I'm going to use the convenient script you posted about to put them on the right. I'm still too worried about accidentally closing the window while trying to use the menus. If they do something interesting with the right side in 10.10, I might consider using left-side buttons. Until then, I'm going to use the convenient script you posted about to put them on the right. I'm still too worried about accidentally closing the window while trying to use the menus.

]]> By: Daniel Añez Scotthttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-417 Daniel Añez Scott Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:24:33 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-417 We still don't have a good rationale for that... I'll just change my buttons to the right, and when there's something nice to put on the empty space that we'll have on the right corner, I'll accept that decision. We still don't have a good rationale for that… I'll just change my buttons to the right, and when there's something nice to put on the empty space that we'll have on the right corner, I'll accept that decision.

]]> By: Jonhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-416 Jon Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:54:51 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-416 Well, time for the rumours to commence! Well, time for the rumours to commence!

]]> By: Christopherhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-415 Christopher Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:50:53 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-415 This is cool. I'm not sure about changing the order of the 3 buttons, but now I'm really glad about the placement of the button group. They aren't just trying to be like OS X -- instead, <b>they're not afraid to innovate</b>. Can't wait to see what they come up with.<br /><br />Wonder why they want more screen real estate on the right side, though. Seems like you could leave the buttons where they are, right-align the title text, and put this NEW 10.10 FEATURE on the left. This is cool. I'm not sure about changing the order of the 3 buttons, but now I'm really glad about the placement of the button group. They aren't just trying to be like OS X — instead, they're not afraid to innovate. Can't wait to see what they come up with.

Wonder why they want more screen real estate on the right side, though. Seems like you could leave the buttons where they are, right-align the title text, and put this NEW 10.10 FEATURE on the left.

]]> By: Rolandixorhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-414 Rolandixor Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:48:24 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-414 I just hope GNOME Shell is seriously not default on 10.10... after all the work put into the current ubuntu desktop, to throw it all away for a piece of half baked experimental software makes 0 sense.<br /><br />Plus I hope they go with Compiz 0.9 (it it is out by then with the way things are going)...<br /><br />wait, I'm off topic... GNOME Shell on the mind. LOL...<br /><br />Yeah, i tried the new button positions and I must say I'm okay with them, until I need to use them. My muscle memory just screams NO!<br /><br />And honestly, if we are expecting ubuntu to take root this year, we can't make silly moves like this.<br /><br />If they plan to use the right side, why not just switch gears and use the left side the same way???<br /><br />And... again, in light of dangerous moves, NO GNOME Shell for 10.10 by default. It is a bad idea, VERY BAD. And after this move they don't need anymore BAD IDEAS. I just hope GNOME Shell is seriously not default on 10.10… after all the work put into the current ubuntu desktop, to throw it all away for a piece of half baked experimental software makes 0 sense.

Plus I hope they go with Compiz 0.9 (it it is out by then with the way things are going)…

wait, I'm off topic… GNOME Shell on the mind. LOL…

Yeah, i tried the new button positions and I must say I'm okay with them, until I need to use them. My muscle memory just screams NO!

And honestly, if we are expecting ubuntu to take root this year, we can't make silly moves like this.

If they plan to use the right side, why not just switch gears and use the left side the same way???

And… again, in light of dangerous moves, NO GNOME Shell for 10.10 by default. It is a bad idea, VERY BAD. And after this move they don't need anymore BAD IDEAS.

]]> By: qwerty8034http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-413 qwerty8034 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:34:11 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-413 I know that Suttleworth said that Ubuntu Lucid would be "as good, if not better" that OS X, but we haven't asked for ANOTHER MacOS!<br /><br />Having one bar at the top and one at the bottom was enough for me!<br />Then, they came with a Dock. Ok, it's eye-candy, people like it, fine!<br />Then, they came with round buttons with nothing written on it. I started to be septic.<br />Then, they changed the button layout to the LEFT!!! That's too much!<br /><br />Now, it's clear that Shuttleworth don't want Ubuntu to be as good as Mac OS. He wnats it to be a MacOS for PCs!!!<br /><br />It it keeps going in this direction, I swich to KDE, prehaps even to another distribution! I know that Suttleworth said that Ubuntu Lucid would be "as good, if not better" that OS X, but we haven't asked for ANOTHER MacOS!

Having one bar at the top and one at the bottom was enough for me!
Then, they came with a Dock. Ok, it's eye-candy, people like it, fine!
Then, they came with round buttons with nothing written on it. I started to be septic.
Then, they changed the button layout to the LEFT!!! That's too much!

Now, it's clear that Shuttleworth don't want Ubuntu to be as good as Mac OS. He wnats it to be a MacOS for PCs!!!

It it keeps going in this direction, I swich to KDE, prehaps even to another distribution!

]]> By: Framlihttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-412 Framli Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:15:34 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-412 A drop down menu of zeitgeist's relevant files to the current activity. A drop down menu of zeitgeist's relevant files to the current activity.

]]> By: Christianhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-411 Christian Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:37:50 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-411 I'll just use LinuxMint...they know how to treat a user... I'll just use LinuxMint…they know how to treat a user…

]]> By: louishttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-410 louis Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:22:34 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-410 This change does not really affect me, the only thing I find wrong with this decision is that ubuntu users where not told about any of the changes which would happen, and had to find it out themselves from the alpha release :(<br />--Louis Taylor--<br />http://louistaylor.wordpress.com/ This change does not really affect me, the only thing I find wrong with this decision is that ubuntu users where not told about any of the changes which would happen, and had to find it out themselves from the alpha release :(
–Louis Taylor–
http://louistaylor.wordpress.com/

]]> By: mannyhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-7629 manny Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:33:00 +0000 http://www.omgubuntu.dreamhosters.com/2010/03/mark-shuttleworth-responds-to-the-window-button-issue-hints-at-good-things-to-come/#comment-7629 maybe it has to do with some new concept in gnome-shell?i see so many new stuff for 10.10, Gshell and all maybe it has to do with some new concept in gnome-shell?

i see so many new stuff for 10.10, Gshell and all

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